Timeline for Introducing Outdated Answers project
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May 13, 2021 at 1:44 | comment | added | Mateen Ulhaq |
@trentcl That example is a semi-popular question (2k views) and is fairly "recent" (3 years). If you obtained only 3 votes versus 12 for the other answers, I don't think that's enough to say P(your_answer_is_best) > 0.2 . If it were also 12 votes (which, incidentally, it is now), then perhaps one could safely argue that an answer receiving the same amount of votes within a shorter period of time is far more likely to be most useful. Regardless, it would make most sense to implement a good sorting algorithm for the really popular questions (300k views) first.
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Feb 25, 2021 at 19:54 | comment | added | trent | Every ranking system has pathological cases, and I doubt that trading the well-understood pathologies of "sort by active/votes/oldest" for the unexplored pathologies of "sort by hot" would be a beneficial exchange for SO. Unless your quality metric is "number of questions asked on Meta about why my answer is ranked lower than this other answer", because I'm pretty sure that would go through the roof. | |
Feb 25, 2021 at 19:50 | comment | added | trent | I think that any kind of metric that factors in "hotness" will fail in a lot of scenarios. I posted an answer today on a question that already had some 3-year-old, upvoted answers. It also got several upvotes in the first couple hours. But my answer isn't more up-to-date than the existing answers; they're both fine! In fact it's really mostly a matter of opinion. It wouldn't be fair to the other answerers to promote my post as the "best" just because I procrastinated for 3 years. | |
Feb 24, 2021 at 8:14 | comment | added | FZs | I could imagine this alongside other solutions, that come up here. @Trilarion Making the algorithm public could also have negative side effects, as in that case it can be abused users, e.g. by rep-hunters, who want to make their answer ranked first, that's why the exact behaviour of the moderation-related algorithms on SO are kept secret. | |
Feb 22, 2021 at 19:47 | history | edited | The Guy with The Hat | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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Feb 22, 2021 at 9:13 | comment | added | NoDataDumpNoContribution | @ProQ People always complain. Basically this sort order could be called relevance and the algorithm could be made public within a meta post and if the meta crowd feels it should be changed, they could open a feature request about it. That would be quite transparent. Google, amazon, facebook, ... they all show you basically sort orders that are complete mysteries. People are okay with it as long as it is useful. | |
Feb 21, 2021 at 21:35 | comment | added | Pro Q | This may also be difficult from an implementation perspective because it would introduce an algorithm of sorts that can be infinitely tweaked with particular parameters. I'm not sure if the devs will want to introduce a mechanism that people can always complain about not working for their particular question. | |
Feb 20, 2021 at 8:47 | comment | added | NoDataDumpNoContribution | We would need a metric to measure the success of any sorting order. Something like how much time people spend on pages. And the goal would not be to maximize it. | |
Feb 19, 2021 at 19:37 | comment | added | The Guy with The Hat | @VLAZ I agree that hotness may not be a perfect metric, but I would argue that factoring at least a bit of "hotness" into the ranking is still better than simply the net upvotes minus downvotes. I think that penalizing controversial posts would actually help the issue with joke answers that you mention; a joke will receive a lot of upvotes for being funny, but it will also get downvoted a fair amount by people who don't appreciate the post. A well-researched an informative answer may not get as much of a reaction, but it will be more consistently upvoted. | |
Feb 19, 2021 at 12:16 | comment | added | Ciro Santilli OurBigBook.com | Exactly! This is also a good post to read: evanmiller.org/how-not-to-sort-by-average-rating.html | |
Feb 19, 2021 at 12:09 | comment | added | VLAZ | "Reddit uses a similar system, and it seems to work well for them." but it's also hard to apply it to SO. Reddit's system...also has its problems. "Good" replies also get sunken because "good" is not up to the algorithm to determine. A well-researched and informative post can be "worse" than a one-off joke response. That's actual things I've seen on Reddit and I'm not much of a participant there. Moreover, on SO we deal with technical accuracy - it's hard for an algorithm to judge that. "Hotness" is not a useful metric. | |
Feb 19, 2021 at 5:32 | history | answered | The Guy with The Hat | CC BY-SA 4.0 |