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Dec 29, 2020 at 22:38 vote accept CommunityBot
Dec 28, 2020 at 13:02 comment added Jared Smith @totymedli yes yes, in a perfect world we could do that. And in this world there are plenty of people who post ridiculously open-ended questions without realizing it. Most of them are help vampires and don't deserve and/or wouldn't even understand the feedback you're advocating. The OP is clearly not one of them: he/she followed up with a (highly upvoted) post on meta, solicited feedback, and got two solid answers. Problem solved? Seems to me that the system, designed to deal with the constrained resources of over-subscribed expert volunteers, is functioning as intended.
Dec 28, 2020 at 12:50 comment added jpmc26 @totymedli If it's downvoted and closed and has no answers, it won't be there in the future to be seen. It will get auto deleted, and that's the best outcome for a question that leads people in the wrong direction. A Google search for "crack hash function" will probably yield better results.
Dec 28, 2020 at 12:49 comment added totymedli @jpmc26 That is what needs to be explained in the answer (or at least in the comments). If somebody in the future (without prior knowledge) will find this question when he researches the topic or has the same issue, he needs to know why this is a problematic question. Seeing "closed as not focused" won't help him.
Dec 28, 2020 at 12:46 comment added jpmc26 @totymedli If the asker had spent 30 minutes reading about hash functions (and more specifically about cracking them), they would know that their question is so far off the rails that they would never have asked it. I think that justifies us not spending a lot of time on it. Why are experts the ones required to spend their time rather than the novices? The novice's time writing the question could have been better spent expanding their knowledge on their own anyway. Teach a man to fish and all that.
Dec 28, 2020 at 12:44 comment added totymedli @JaredSmith I'm not saying that the close was unjustified, my problem is that the reasoning is not clear. In this case the close voters should have given a more clear explanation why answering the question is problematic. BTW IMHO broad questions should be allowed, the answers should focus on the direction OP needs to take to solve his problem, because in the end by closing the question we just neglected a legit problem without an attempted solution or at least a direction.
Dec 28, 2020 at 12:36 comment added totymedli @jpmc26 "Lack minimal understanding" isn't any better. My reasoning is that we shouldn't just "neglect" novice users who put in the effort to ask properly with vague sentences. The experience of getting all your questions closed is is what makes the community appear unwelcoming.
Dec 28, 2020 at 12:36 comment added Jared Smith @totymedli while I certainly appreciate the effort the OP put into getting it right, there's only so much we can do. While I think "lacks minimal understanding" is uncharitably worded it highlights a real problem: we just can't teach someone how to implement a complex system in the space of a SO answer, even if they can program. So let's say we set the bar lower as you suggest. How would you answer the OP's question, as asked?
Dec 28, 2020 at 12:26 comment added jpmc26 @totymedli We used to have a much more applicable reason: "lacks minimal understanding." It was deemed "bad" by the same people who gave us "welcoming." The bigger problem is the hordes of users who will happily reopen a question that's asking for something easily recognized as utterly ridiculous if you have even a modicum of introductory knowledge on the topic.
Dec 28, 2020 at 9:33 comment added totymedli This situation clearly shows the weakness of the SO review process. We have a new contributor who actually read the help page and really put in the effort to ask a proper question which still got closed because of a reason you needed to describe in 2K+ characters but the feedback he received first was only "not focused enough". It seems to be impossible to ask a good first question because the bar is so high. No wonder people hate the SO asking experience.
Dec 28, 2020 at 7:06 comment added jpmc26 I tried to capture a summary of your point in my custom close reason. Both my summary and your answer are basically a nice way of saying, "You have no idea what you're talking about." And it's okay to not know what you're talking about. Just don't be surprised or upset when it leads to your question being closed.
Dec 27, 2020 at 19:58 history edited Peter Mortensen CC BY-SA 4.0
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Dec 26, 2020 at 14:40 comment added 463035818_is_not_an_ai I guess the answer to the question in the title is: ask on meta. This answer is feedback on the original question ;)
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Dec 26, 2020 at 12:23 history answered Jared Smith CC BY-SA 4.0