Timeline for "46.8+ Billion Times a developer got help" - how is this calculated?
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Oct 10, 2020 at 22:32 | comment | added | 0Valt | @Steve - agreed, the actual number of those helped is likely to be higher (hell, even I do not upvote every good answer/question if I am in a rush + there is a thing like serial upvoting) than provided by the query (as you yourself mention, though, it is hardly formalizable - I can only think of "thank you" comments from the corresponding table, but that's also not accurate as they are rigorously deleted). I tend to think that any metric like this is meaningless, but it is my firm belief that the stats should at least be realistic and verifiable (even if that leads to underestimation) | |
Oct 10, 2020 at 22:27 | comment | added | 0Valt | @BernhardBarker - as I mentioned, I fully agree that accepted answers (and even positively scored) are not the best possible metric there is. Just saying that even that is better than getting a number of views from analytics and slapping it all over the place... If we could somehow quantify those who were helped but did not upvote/accept the answer, then the metric would probably be 3-5 times higher than 0.1B. | |
Oct 10, 2020 at 21:04 | comment | added | CryptoFool | I was thinking about just what @BernhardBarker just mentioned. If we all agree that the majority of "help" comes from those coming later and just viewing existing questions, there's no way to know this "developers helped" number because it would have to intuit if a view of a page helped someone or not. And since a lot of helped developers won't bother to upvote an answer that helps them (I'm guilty of this, although I try to do so), and as said before, viewers will upvote something that didn't really help THEM, my view is that there's just no way to know. | |
Oct 10, 2020 at 19:27 | comment | added | Bernhard Barker | @jmoreno I agree that upvotes would probably vastly overestimate the number of people helped (but also maybe not, as I don't know how many people come here through Google and what percentage don't even have accounts to be able to upvote). However, accepted answers would likely vastly underestimate it. That discounts everyone who found an answer on Stack Overflow via a Google search or similar, which is a high-priority goal of the site and probably a much bigger number than the number of people who got their answer by asking a question. | |
Oct 10, 2020 at 1:57 | comment | added | 0Valt | @RyanfaeScotland hm? By "more precise" I am comparing to "total number of views" most likely used in the statement. The problem with negatively scored posts is that the "helpfulness" of these is barely measurable. A positive score and/or accept on an answer is at least follows the definition of "helpful" on SO (take a look at the upvote and the accept checkmark tooltips). P.s. No need to get adversarial. | |
Oct 10, 2020 at 1:46 | comment | added | RyanfaeScotland | "would yield a much more precise statement" - Why? Do you not feel that the act of helping others with negative scoring questions also helps the developer grow as a person? May help them feel better for doing so? In fact, the act of curating the site, removing bad questions, helps many more developers than just the viewer, every time one does so they help all developers the world over. | |
Oct 10, 2020 at 0:58 | history | edited | 0Valt | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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Oct 10, 2020 at 0:49 | comment | added | 0Valt | @jmoreno - yeah, I would probably go with the accepted answer as metric as well ( that said, as I am sure you know, there is a problem with new users not accepting answers no matter what... But that probably could be mitigated by counting "accepted answers + answers with no accept, but with a "thank you" comment") | |
Oct 10, 2020 at 0:37 | comment | added | jmoreno | I would go with accepted answers, as lots of people will upvote simply because the answer is correct or well written. For instance, I can’t imagine that the top voted answer has helped as many people with the same problem as have upvoted it. It’s nevertheless an excellent answer well deserving of an upvote. | |
Oct 9, 2020 at 22:36 | history | answered | 0Valt | CC BY-SA 4.0 |