Timeline for Why did this performance question warrant not only closure but deletion, too?
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Oct 6, 2020 at 7:12 | comment | added | Peter Duniho | @BACON: yes, basically. "Faster" is not a suitable ask here. Otherwise, we'd all be posting our code asking for people to make it faster. This isn't a code-writing service and it's not a profiling-and-optimization service. If a person wants help making their code faster, they need to be specific. They need to explain what they've tried already; they need to explain why they think it's even possible to make the code significantly faster (which can't be done without some kind of initial investigation on their part); they need to explain what specifically they need help with. | |
Oct 6, 2020 at 4:09 | comment | added | Lance U. Matthews | "clearly-stated precise goal." I suppose that goes back to my post-closure comment: "What additional focus does this question require? A specific definition of 'much faster'?" So, "10 seconds or less" instead of assuming "faster than 2 minutes"? Is this (from here) the banner the author sees for that close reason? To me, that and [help/closed-questions] are not an effective substitute for comments; they're so brief and unclear how they apply (here) as to leave it to guesswork for the author to fix. | |
Oct 6, 2020 at 3:30 | comment | added | Peter Duniho | ... But the effect remains, and it's unfortunate. It completely skews the signals that the site should be relying on to maintain quality. | |
Oct 6, 2020 at 3:30 | comment | added | Peter Duniho | ... "why is it infeasible for someone to have just commented" -- it's not and someone could. But as with the author of the question not knowing it's too broad, that someone didn't spend their time trying to convey what needed to be improved, does not in any way change the fact that the question needs improvement. "if I could have asked about the question without linking to it" -- that's fine...I'm not holding you accountable for the fact that the SO community can't help but to buzz around a question like this when the light's focused on it. ... | |
Oct 6, 2020 at 3:30 | comment | added | Peter Duniho | @BACON: "how should the author know if the code needs just a small edit vs. a complete rewrite" -- that's not the relevant metric. What's relevant is whether the question has a clearly-stated precise goal. In any case, it will not always be the case that the author of a question knows in advance how broad it is. That doesn't keep a question from being too broad. "no one told them what needed fixed" -- sure they did. The question got closed. The closure banner tells them what they need to fix. In this case, they didn't make any attempt at all. ... | |
Oct 6, 2020 at 3:20 | comment | added | Lance U. Matthews |
(cont.) why is it infeasible for someone to have just commented "Does the two minutes include Sort() and Reverse() ?" or "You need to specify what hardware you're using" so that could be included? You're saying a lot more information than that would be needed to make for a serviceable question? Lastly, if I could have asked about the question without linking to it (use screenshots instead to reduce traffic?) I would have; my goal wasn't to beg for undeletion (I opted not to even vote on that) or attention but to understand the thinking behind deletion, which this answer helps to do.
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Oct 6, 2020 at 3:20 | comment | added | Lance U. Matthews | For #3, you say the author "allowed [the question] to languish", but then no one told them what needed fixed. I can see that being a chicken-and-egg problem — the author doesn't fix the question because they don't know anything's wrong with it, and no one points out what's wrong with it because they feel it's destined for deletion, anyways — but I suspect closure/deletion simply being more convenient than trying to improve a question (tooth-pulling as it can be, at times) may play a part, too. You make some good points about specific details missing from the question, so (cont.) | |
Oct 6, 2020 at 3:19 | comment | added | Lance U. Matthews | For #1, the part I struggle with most is it seems to require knowing the answer in order to ask the question. In this case there's only 4 (functional) lines of code, so not much room for tweaking, but how should the author know if the code needs just a small edit vs. a complete rewrite to be performant when that's exactly the point of the question? For #2, as I said I can't disagree with claims of little/no research (if writing the provided code counts as "research"), but is that a reason for closure vs. downvoting? Or research needs to be shown precisely to define the focus of the question? | |
Oct 5, 2020 at 16:58 | history | answered | Peter Duniho | CC BY-SA 4.0 |