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Aug 19, 2020 at 11:50 history edited 0Valt CC BY-SA 4.0
Added another tag that went the synonym route, made notice about withdrawal of proposal clearer, made points for the original proposal articulated and clearer
Aug 11, 2020 at 12:17 history edited 0Valt CC BY-SA 4.0
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Aug 10, 2020 at 11:10 history edited 0Valt CC BY-SA 4.0
edited out confusing term
Aug 10, 2020 at 10:52 history edited 0Valt CC BY-SA 4.0
Added more on-topic examples of other tags that went with the *askers* proposal (as we do not disagree fundamentally)
Aug 10, 2020 at 9:52 comment added 0Valt @TheMaster - I am talking more as a whole, not individually (that is, counting Libraries + Logging + GCP + Editor). With just logging, it would not be enough, I agree. Anyways, I really do not want it to become a stumbling block, so I will be content with a simple vote in our room, what do you say? I may have more compelling arguments by then.
Aug 10, 2020 at 9:44 comment added TheMaster I remember 1 or 2 issues about the logs showing up late or not showing at all. Again, Don't think it warrants a separate tag. Coming back, you're right about script projects vs gcp. . Yes it's in the official doc. But what the public perceives is more important.. I as a gold badge holder couldn't differentiate it just by it's name(until you clearly said the difference) How will new users or other users think about it? It's a ambigous tag at best
Aug 10, 2020 at 9:42 comment added 0Valt @TheMaster that's true, but they also go there, but Logger still has its own issues (alongside what is displayed in the execution dashboard). In fact, we've just been discussing a problem very specific to them and newer runtime that still does not have anything to do with Stackdriver. That said, I am hesitant to convert this into a discussion about validity of apps script project itself - it is an alternative proposal after all
Aug 10, 2020 at 9:38 comment added TheMaster @OlegValter Don't all basic logs go to stackdriver with v8? It is visible in the UI. but that's it. And rhino is no longer a default. We can't be having a tag for every url or every web-page that we visit in apps script and think it's something different and create a tag for it.
Aug 10, 2020 at 9:37 comment added 0Valt @TheMaster - I don't entirely disagree with the approach, that's why I apologize. That said, I feel compelled to defend the specificity of the domain of apps script projects. On the note of long tags (I think you meant something else, and not two apps script tags, btw :)), I also dislike the long naming, I think it should be referred to as apps-script-project or, ideally (but that won't probably happen), gas-project. With logging there is a problem - all is good when this is stackdriver, but what if we are talking about basic logging?
Aug 10, 2020 at 9:28 comment added TheMaster No need to apologize. @RafaGuillermo makes a good point here. If the question is not about GCP or it's management(do note: If they are, you need 3 looong tags: google-apps-script,google-apps-script-project,google-cloud-platform), If it's just about dealing with script project management, deployment, debugging, The last one should just be tagged [debugging] or [stackdriver] [logging]. The first 2 uses: Every script is managed. Not every script is deployed, but that alone don't warrant a separate tag. Even if it is deployed, usage with [-api] or [-web-app] should be enough.
Aug 10, 2020 at 9:26 history edited 0Valt CC BY-SA 4.0
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Aug 10, 2020 at 9:23 comment added 0Valt @RafaGuillermo although I disagree with the notion of them being identical (if they were, you could manage libraries and manifests through GCP directly, also Properties are part of the apps script project that are not available in GCP) and think that the confusion arises due to them being interconnected (especially because one cannot live without another), it is not my intention to hinder the effort - if I am in the minority here, I am ready to accept it as a synonym.
Aug 10, 2020 at 9:17 comment added 0Valt @TheMaster, I apologize for insisting, but how about a direct quote from docs? "every Apps Script project has an associated Google Cloud Platform project". They are not identical, that said, I do not say they are not intricately connected.
Aug 10, 2020 at 9:17 comment added Rafa Guillermo @OlegValter Apps Script Projects are GCP projects on the backend. If it's not manually tied to a GCP project then it has its own unique identifier anyway. If it's a question not directly related to the GCP side of things then I see no reason for google-apps-script-project to not be a synonym of good old google-apps-script.
Aug 10, 2020 at 9:15 comment added TheMaster You're speaking as if google-apps-script-project is different from gcp. It's not. It's the same thing attached to google-apps-script.
Aug 10, 2020 at 9:14 comment added 0Valt @RafaGuillermo - I think we have a misunderstanding here, Apps Script projects have very little to do with Cloud Platform, and can't be made a synonym. See the whole chapter of official guide: developers.google.com/apps-script/guides/…
Aug 10, 2020 at 9:12 comment added 0Valt @TheMaster that's not what I mean at all, quite the opposite - I referred to google-cloud-platform. That said, if there existed a cloud-platform-project that is a synonym of google-cloud-platform I might consider switching to google-apps-script + google-cloud-platform or logging or ide depending on the situation.
Aug 10, 2020 at 9:12 comment added Rafa Guillermo I think that google-apps-script-project is unnecessary. It's barely used, very loosely defined, and there are better tags which fit it. google-apps-script-project should be synonymised to google-cloud-platform and google-apps-script-editor to google-apps-script.
Aug 10, 2020 at 9:04 comment added TheMaster Exactly why a separate tag for intersection between two platform tags are unnecessary. There won't be enough questions. Furthermore SMEs in apps script are not well versed in GCP. The GCP expertise is needed in such situations.A eg would be javascript. JS deals with a broad variety of issues, but when tagged with google-apps-script, they only answer if it's within their expertise and where GAS expertise is lacking.
Aug 10, 2020 at 8:56 comment added 0Valt The problem I have with it is that google-apps-script + google-cloud-platform are just two platform tags. Our main tag serves visibility to SMEs well, the other includes a broad spectrum of issues not related to Apps Script at all, the same goes for google-oauth. I am not arguing for sub-tagging, but I think 1-2 branches (that represent a domain of issues) should remain.
Aug 10, 2020 at 8:50 history edited 0Valt CC BY-SA 4.0
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Aug 10, 2020 at 8:50 comment added TheMaster Why not? Split tags allow for such overlap. I disagree with the notion that all tags should be narrow. ( in fact, the only part of GCP that is relevant here are default and standard Cloud Projects You're just seeing the initial overlap.. but it can go deeper - say, a shared GCP with another project, that is not even related to apps script.
Aug 10, 2020 at 8:47 comment added 0Valt @TheMaster - the problem is that GCP is much broader, it is not a correct substitute for the script project ( in fact, the only part of GCP that is relevant here are default and standard Cloud Projects ). google-oauth is also much broader and intersects with Google Sign-in and Identity platform as a whole
Aug 10, 2020 at 8:46 comment added TheMaster Also against google-apps-script-project. Use with google-cloud-platform or google-oauth should be sufficient.
Aug 10, 2020 at 8:43 comment added 0Valt @TheMaster - that's exactly what I propose - either synonymize or merge into a single google-apps-script-project. About google-apps-script-menu - that's different, I think it should be merged into main too. That said, I disagree that script project issues are off-topic here: also part of the domain is importing/exporting projects and clasp issues
Aug 10, 2020 at 8:40 comment added TheMaster Most actions mentioned like dealing with script project management, verification process are highly unlikely to be considered to be ontopic. Even if they are, they're not about programming and border line super-user category and don't warrant a new tag. Neither is google-apps-script-menu or google-apps-script-dashboard. Furthermore, none of these branches are recognizable or usable easily by new users. It'll be a retagging mess. Strongly Disagree. Also against google-apps-script-project. Use google-cloud-platform or google-oauth instead.
Aug 10, 2020 at 8:29 history answered 0Valt CC BY-SA 4.0