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Apr 14, 2023 at 21:46 comment added Ryan M Mod @user16217248 It's a feature request; on meta feature requests, a downvote means "this feature request should not be implemented."
Apr 14, 2023 at 21:42 comment added CPlus I don't know why you are getting downvoted. This is a legitimate concern?
Sep 1, 2020 at 11:35 vote accept RobertS supports Monica Cellio
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Jul 24, 2020 at 13:56 comment added RobertS supports Monica Cellio @MartinJames TravisJ and Dharman truely wanted the place and had been a good help as well as Tschallaka I think.
Jul 24, 2020 at 13:50 comment added Martin James @RobertSsupportsMonicaCellio 'If you need more moderators to help, instate more. Easy as that', great, so, you are going to stand for moderator, then?
Jul 24, 2020 at 11:24 comment added RobertS supports Monica Cellio @rene My profile is completely irrelevant to the feature-request. It is like trying to improve the engine of a car and focusing the driver. Others made the request too as you can see inside of the linked posts. So did I.
Jul 24, 2020 at 11:20 comment added RobertS supports Monica Cellio @Patrice As I already said, too less mods and difference in size between the networks doesn't mean in turn that things are good this way and couldn't be changed. I doubt that the size difference is important. It is important how many posts would be migrated from the destination and how much work this in fact would be. I not read fully through the made answer as well as their given links. Maybe I late come back with more insights.
Jul 24, 2020 at 11:05 comment added rene If I check your profile against the list of migration targets I wonder how you are so sure that you need those targets? I expect you would need substantial participation on each site to make the perfect judgement call. Did you check on the Meta of those sites you propose if they are open to accept the posts you plan to send there?
Jul 24, 2020 at 10:57 comment added Patrice So basically your point is 'I do too much work to do this. SE should have more ppl do that work for me'. Stack doesn't have enough ppl moderating the queues HERE. So ... That can't work. And the size difference makes the migration targets you talk of unsuitable... While I get the intent..... I don't think it's practical
Jul 24, 2020 at 10:52 answer added gnat timeline score: 18
Jul 24, 2020 at 10:42 comment added RobertS supports Monica Cellio ...SE is one company, why not make more connections? "..and getting involved with migrating questions from other users is worse." - Why is that worse? It helps cleaning up. --- "There are not enough mods to do the work that already exists, never mind adding migration hassle. We need more effective mods." - That the community has not enough mods can't be made as argument here and I feel personally very bored by this argumentation. There are much users which want to help, but don't get into the position to do so. If you need more moderators to help, instate more. Easy as that.
Jul 24, 2020 at 10:42 comment added RobertS supports Monica Cellio @MartinJames "Migration suggestions require the suggester to be familiar with the target site rules/policy and to be sure that the question does not violate them." - If one got the required privileges to cast a vote and one is confirm with that, why should s/he not be able to make such suggestions? - "That is ditch-digging work that the OP should do. If the migration backfires, the OP should be the one with a face full of buckshot." - Well, yes but why give the OP such obstacles instead of to guide to the right place? It's not very helpful and rude...
Jul 24, 2020 at 10:30 comment added Martin James There are not enough mods to do the work that already exists, never mind adding migration hassle. We need more effective mods. The 'regular' SO curators are also overloaded. We need more effective curators. We don't need more ditch-digging.
Jul 24, 2020 at 10:23 comment added Martin James @RobertSsupportsMonicaCellio ..and getting involved with migrating questions from other users is worse.
Jul 24, 2020 at 10:18 comment added Martin James Migration suggestions require the suggester to be familiar with the target site rules/policy and to be sure that the question does not violate them. That is ditch-digging work that the OP should do. If the migration backfires, the OP should be the one with a face full of buckshot.
Jul 24, 2020 at 10:15 comment added RobertS supports Monica Cellio @ivarni The purpose of SE is to give and find help. When doing so, it would give more problems to someone who is seeking help and high-probably s/he won't get the advice s/he wants to. Stack Overflow is the flagship and new users tend to shoot questions on the flag ship without seeking further information that it might not fit. That is horrible, but I see no sufficient handling from the side of SE to prevent that in the first place before even asking a question. If we don't have a sufficient reaction in such cases, we cannot show him s/he was wrong and what exactly was wrong, which is bad.
Jul 24, 2020 at 10:08 comment added ivarni That's the cross we all have to hold when it comes to asking questions on the wrong site. Closing the question should be enough to clue the OP in on the fact that they're in the wrong place.
Jul 24, 2020 at 10:07 comment added RobertS supports Monica Cellio @RobertLongson Wouldn't that mean to leave "code review" questions on SO while they usually would belong to Code Review by the rules? Isn't the whole concept of separating questions then broken? Leaving Code Review the silent beautiful place it ever was without considering the reason why it was build up?
Jul 24, 2020 at 10:01 comment added RobertS supports Monica Cellio @Amessihel Another solution could be to make the communication with the OP easier. Like an "I suggest you to place this question on X" feature, but most people unfortunately will consider something like that as useless.
Jul 24, 2020 at 9:57 comment added Martin James Migration, especiallly any kind of automated migration, is deader than Tesla short sellers.
Jul 24, 2020 at 9:57 comment added RobertS supports Monica Cellio @DragandDrop No community should be forced of course, but every party can profit from a trade-off in that topic IMHO.
Jul 24, 2020 at 9:56 comment added gnat you kind of underestimate size difference in sites. Those you proposed to add to migration victims are 100x-1000x smaller than Stack Overflow and if hundreds of uneducated SO users start migratinig inappropriate stuff these sites simply get flooded with closed or close-worthy questions. This already happened in the past and they had to escalate to the company to block the garbage flow: Update Migration Path List for Non-Moderators
Jul 24, 2020 at 9:56 comment added Robert Longson We're 10 million visits a day with 13 million users, Code review has fewer than 2000 people with review capability. They would spend all their time clicking on "no" on the migration destination queue, or more likely ignore it altogether so all the migrations fail. Going to a queue and seeing a torrent of off-topic questions is going to be dispiriting. Spend a few days doing Help and Improvement reviews here and see if you don't agree.
Jul 24, 2020 at 9:55 comment added Martin James @DragandDrop. 'Eh... another nag rule..click'. Many users ignore anything that might interfere with their primary goal of getting an answer. Nothing else matters:(
Jul 24, 2020 at 9:53 comment added Drag and Drop Imo codereview.stackexchange, softwareengineering.stackexchange, softwarerecs.stackexchange, and cs.stackexchange are not directly compatible due to their exigence in quality. We should ask to their meta if they want us to be able to things with 4 clicks and what are the rules and process.
Jul 24, 2020 at 9:51 comment added Martin James @RobertSsupportsMonicaCellio OK, if that is done, I will just ignore that queue as, I strongly suspect, will many others.
Jul 24, 2020 at 9:50 comment added Drag and Drop If we make it clear that automated migration is only for perfectly good question based on destination rules. And not current site nor user appreciation. Especially for Code Review. where we have a metric of poor question that get advice to go to CR.
Jul 24, 2020 at 9:49 comment added RobertS supports Monica Cellio @ivarni That's the cross we all have to hold when it comes to asking questions. Again, I suggest user with knowledge about whether it fits to a target to decide to migrate a question or not. Not any user who think it might fit.
Jul 24, 2020 at 9:47 comment added RobertS supports Monica Cellio @MartinJames We already have excellent moderation tools for community members, f.e. close, reopen and edit queue's. Why not adding another queue for reviewing? If it really doesn't happen so much as an argumentation against it says, it wouldn't make so much work extra.
Jul 24, 2020 at 9:43 comment added Martin James @RobertSsupportsMonicaCellio 'layer of "approval" then by mods or even community members to decide whether a question should be migrated or not', OK, fine, please publish your email address where you wish to receive links to migration requests.
Jul 24, 2020 at 9:41 comment added RobertS supports Monica Cellio @MartinJames In such case, we close the question as "off-topic" very soon. If the OP got no information from a helpful user where the question really belongs to, her/his concern will probably never be answered. Maybe s/he goes to other communities like Quora then to ask the same concern.
Jul 24, 2020 at 9:41 comment added ivarni It's also the OP that will receive a potential barrage of downvotes and complaints if a question is wrongly migrated.
Jul 24, 2020 at 9:39 comment added Martin James Only tbe OP should migrate questions by copying to the target AND deleting from the source. The OP is the user who has the best chance of accurately targeting or retargeting, their question. The grunt work of identifying a better-match site, where the question is on-topic and will not fall foul siite policy/rules should be done by the OP - the only user who has the full context of the question. If the OP mis-targeted their question in the first place, the OP should fix it.
Jul 24, 2020 at 9:37 comment added RobertS supports Monica Cellio @Amessihel The thing is to improve and eliminate that the user needs to do so. I do that frequently and feel very annoying with. It is also very ponderous for the user her/himself to repost the question. It also leaves the "wasted one" for a moderator of the origin community to clean up and going into in the overfilled queue.
Jul 24, 2020 at 9:35 comment added RobertS supports Monica Cellio @RobertLongson Understand that. But they could make a layer of "approval" then by mods or even community members to decide whether a question should be migrated or not.
Jul 24, 2020 at 9:33 comment added Robert Longson The point is if code review is a migration target the people that are actually active on code review are afraid that we'll swamp it with bad content. I'm afraid as a community we've shown we can't be trusted not to do that. We're the 600lb gorilla here.
Jul 24, 2020 at 9:32 comment added RobertS supports Monica Cellio @RobertLongson I do that frequently and feel annoying with. Why not enhancing this process?
Jul 24, 2020 at 9:31 comment added Robert Longson If the question is off-topic here, vote to close it. If it's on-topic somewhere else you can add a comment with your opinion and the poster can repost it if they wish.
Jul 24, 2020 at 9:30 comment added RobertS supports Monica Cellio @RobertLongson My house isn't a disco. So go with your friends to make a party where it belongs to.
Jul 24, 2020 at 9:28 comment added RobertS supports Monica Cellio @CodyGray That is a lack on the user-side. Maybe higher the threshold of rep then for users who be able to cast such votes. That many users do it bad, doesn't mean to completely erase the feature.
Jul 24, 2020 at 9:25 comment added RobertS supports Monica Cellio @gnat If they don't be able to decide whether questions belong to there communities or not, then I'm asking myself "Why do we have separated communities then at all?"
Jul 24, 2020 at 9:24 comment added Robert Longson @RobertSsupportsMonicaCellio I'm coming to a party at your house. What time should I turn up? I've invited all my friends too.
Jul 24, 2020 at 9:24 comment added Cody Gray Mod Let's get rid of it entirely. The vast majority of custom moderator flags that I see suggesting migrating are horribly misguided, and these are people who took extra time to type in a message. People suggest migrating questions that are (a) perfectly on-topic for the site where they're asked, (b) not even close to on-topic for another site, and/or (c) so terribly low quality that nobody wants that garbage. I'm not sure users should be trusted to vote to migrate anything, unless they also have close-vote powers on the other site. They certainly don't need more choices.
Jul 24, 2020 at 9:23 comment added gnat did you ask at metas of the listed sites whether they want to be in migration targets?
Jul 24, 2020 at 9:23 comment added RobertS supports Monica Cellio @RobertLongson A question belongs to there, if it belongs to there. Mods clearly have the competence to decide whether it does or not. The problem is about not being able to give at least the opportunity to give a respective flag which is a difference.
Jul 24, 2020 at 9:20 comment added Robert Longson Code review don't want to be a migration target, seems rather rude to ignore their wishes. Do you know the other migration targets you're proposing are in favour of this? If not, surely that's the first step here before even asking this question.
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