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Let me first clarify that I am all for encouraging downvotes. That said, I have concerns about couple of suggestions in other answers;

  • There's a suggestion here that you should get a badge or reputation if your downvotes result in certain number of posts getting deleted.

95% of my downvotes result in the post getting deleted, mostly roomba'd. But I always keep this in mind that we are instructed to steer clear of downvoting to trigger roomba. Downvotes should be merely used based on quality of the posts 1, 2 . Let's assume a bad question which has a quality answer. Considering the thread altogether, one decides that it should be deleted. IMHO, the right path is casting close votes and delete votes later. While the suggestion above encourages downvoting the question and the quality answer to trigger (abuse) roomba.

1. Clean-up by downvoting? A ridiculous user experience

2. Downvote in order to be able to vote to delete. Is it acceptable?

  • There's also a suggestion about removing '-1 rep cost of downvoting an answer'.

The issue here is with people abusing their downvotes. If we remove the cost, people would downvote their competitors (other answers on a post which they've posted an answer to). There's also an issue of revenge downvotes, which without that penalty, would rise to the roof.

So What can be done?

As I said, I have concerns about these suggestions, but I don't think they are completely out of place. We do need to encourage downvotes instead of penalizing users for using their downvoting privilege (same as the way we encourage upvotes with badges like Supporter and Sportsmanship or other ways which are mentioned in the other posts).

I think if we could increase the level of monitoring on revenge downvotes and other abuses, it'd be helpful to move forward with the suggestions above; but it is much easier said than done. I very much liked the restrictions suggested by Temani Afif at the end of their answer, which I quote them here.

I know there is room for a lot of abuse, but we can add some restriction like applying this logic (M--'s comment: giving back extra reputation when a post gets deleted) to only users under 5k or limit the earning of the extra +1 to only +X per day, etc.



As I referenced Temani's answer, I want to point out a major issue with one of their "proposals": 'pushing all new negative answers to a queue where we can review them'.

I believe we already have enough review queues and adding yet another one while there are many issues with the current ones (e.g. triage), doesn't seem great. Let me point out that in a perfect world (world: SE communities), that would not be the worst idea. But beside the issue with other queues, opening a new one for downvoted answer has a prime difference with VLQ queue. Generally, one does not need domain knowledge of the subject to evaluate low quality posts. On the other hand, a user usually needs to be subject matter expert (or at least familiar with the issue) to fathom the problem with the post and decide whether to downvote or not. Good or bad, we do not still have any restriction on the reviews you can attend based on your knowledge of that tag (i.e. reputation, in the context of SO). So pushing downvoted posts to a queue doesn't seem to be appropriate, at least at the moment.

Let me first clarify that I am all for encouraging downvotes. That said, I have concerns about couple of suggestions in other answers;

  • There's a suggestion here that you should get a badge or reputation if your downvotes result in certain number of posts getting deleted.

95% of my downvotes result in the post getting deleted, mostly roomba'd. But I always keep this in mind that we are instructed to steer clear of downvoting to trigger roomba. Downvotes should be merely used based on quality of the posts. Let's assume a bad question which has a quality answer. Considering the thread altogether, one decides that it should be deleted. IMHO, the right path is casting close votes and delete votes later. While the suggestion above encourages downvoting the question and the quality answer to trigger (abuse) roomba.

  • There's also a suggestion about removing '-1 rep cost of downvoting an answer'.

The issue here is with people abusing their downvotes. If we remove the cost, people would downvote their competitors (other answers on a post which they've posted an answer to). There's also an issue of revenge downvotes, which without that penalty, would rise to the roof.

So What can be done?

As I said, I have concerns about these suggestions, but I don't think they are completely out of place. We do need to encourage downvotes instead of penalizing users for using their downvoting privilege (same as the way we encourage upvotes with badges like Supporter and Sportsmanship or other ways which are mentioned in the other posts).

I think if we could increase the level of monitoring on revenge downvotes and other abuses, it'd be helpful to move forward with the suggestions above; but it is much easier said than done. I very much liked the restrictions suggested by Temani Afif at the end of their answer, which I quote them here.

I know there is room for a lot of abuse, but we can add some restriction like applying this logic (M--'s comment: giving back extra reputation when a post gets deleted) to only users under 5k or limit the earning of the extra +1 to only +X per day, etc.



As I referenced Temani's answer, I want to point out a major issue with one of their "proposals": 'pushing all new negative answers to a queue where we can review them'.

I believe we already have enough review queues and adding yet another one while there are many issues with the current ones (e.g. triage), doesn't seem great. Let me point out that in a perfect world (world: SE communities), that would not be the worst idea. But beside the issue with other queues, opening a new one for downvoted answer has a prime difference with VLQ queue. Generally, one does not need domain knowledge of the subject to evaluate low quality posts. On the other hand, a user usually needs to be subject matter expert (or at least familiar with the issue) to fathom the problem with the post and decide whether to downvote or not. Good or bad, we do not still have any restriction on the reviews you can attend based on your knowledge of that tag (i.e. reputation, in the context of SO). So pushing downvoted posts to a queue doesn't seem to be appropriate, at least at the moment.

Let me first clarify that I am all for encouraging downvotes. That said, I have concerns about couple of suggestions in other answers;

  • There's a suggestion here that you should get a badge or reputation if your downvotes result in certain number of posts getting deleted.

95% of my downvotes result in the post getting deleted, mostly roomba'd. But I always keep this in mind that we are instructed to steer clear of downvoting to trigger roomba. Downvotes should be merely used based on quality of the posts 1, 2 . Let's assume a bad question which has a quality answer. Considering the thread altogether, one decides that it should be deleted. IMHO, the right path is casting close votes and delete votes later. While the suggestion above encourages downvoting the question and the quality answer to trigger (abuse) roomba.

1. Clean-up by downvoting? A ridiculous user experience

2. Downvote in order to be able to vote to delete. Is it acceptable?

  • There's also a suggestion about removing '-1 rep cost of downvoting an answer'.

The issue here is with people abusing their downvotes. If we remove the cost, people would downvote their competitors (other answers on a post which they've posted an answer to). There's also an issue of revenge downvotes, which without that penalty, would rise to the roof.

So What can be done?

As I said, I have concerns about these suggestions, but I don't think they are completely out of place. We do need to encourage downvotes instead of penalizing users for using their downvoting privilege (same as the way we encourage upvotes with badges like Supporter and Sportsmanship or other ways which are mentioned in the other posts).

I think if we could increase the level of monitoring on revenge downvotes and other abuses, it'd be helpful to move forward with the suggestions above; but it is much easier said than done. I very much liked the restrictions suggested by Temani Afif at the end of their answer, which I quote them here.

I know there is room for a lot of abuse, but we can add some restriction like applying this logic (M--'s comment: giving back extra reputation when a post gets deleted) to only users under 5k or limit the earning of the extra +1 to only +X per day, etc.



As I referenced Temani's answer, I want to point out a major issue with one of their "proposals": 'pushing all new negative answers to a queue where we can review them'.

I believe we already have enough review queues and adding yet another one while there are many issues with the current ones (e.g. triage), doesn't seem great. Let me point out that in a perfect world (world: SE communities), that would not be the worst idea. But beside the issue with other queues, opening a new one for downvoted answer has a prime difference with VLQ queue. Generally, one does not need domain knowledge of the subject to evaluate low quality posts. On the other hand, a user usually needs to be subject matter expert (or at least familiar with the issue) to fathom the problem with the post and decide whether to downvote or not. Good or bad, we do not still have any restriction on the reviews you can attend based on your knowledge of that tag (i.e. reputation, in the context of SO). So pushing downvoted posts to a queue doesn't seem to be appropriate, at least at the moment.

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Let me first clarify that I am all for encouraging downvotes. That said, I have concerns about couple of suggestions in other answers;

  • There's a suggestion here that you should get a badge or reputation if your downvotes result in certain number of posts getting deleted.

95% of my downvotes result in the post getting deleted, mostly roomba'd. But I always keep this in mind that we are instructed to steer clear of downvoting to trigger roomba. Downvotes should be merely used based on quality of the posts. Let's assume a bad question which has a quality answer. Considering the thread altogether, one decides that it should be deleted. IMHO, the right path is casting close votes and delete votes later. While the suggestion above encourages downvoting the question and the quality answer to trigger (abuse) roomba.

  • There's also a suggestion about removing '-1 rep cost of downvoting an answer'.

The issue here is with people abusing their downvotes. If we remove the cost, people would downvote their competitors (other answers on a post which they've posted an answer to). There's also an issue of revenge downvotes, which without that penalty, would rise to the roof.

So What can be done?

As I said, I have concerns about these suggestions, but I don't think they are completely out of place. We do need to encourage downvotes instead of penalizing users for using their downvoting privilege (same as the way we encourage upvotes with badges like Supporter and Sportsmanship or other ways which are mentioned in the other posts).

I think if we could increase the level of monitoring on revenge downvotes and other abuses, it'd be helpful to move forward with the suggestions above; but it is much easier said than done. I very much liked the restrictions suggested by Temani Afif at the end of their answer, which I quote them here.

I know there is room for a lot of abuse, but we can add some restriction like applying this logic (M--'s comment: giving back extra reputation when a post gets deleted) to only users under 5k or limit the earning of the extra +1 to only +X per day, etc.



As I referenced Temani's answer, I want to point out a major issue with one of their "proposals": 'pushing all new negative answers to a queue where we can review them'.

I believe we already have enough review queues and adding yet another one while there are many issues with the current ones (e.g. triage), doesn't seem great. Let me point out that in a perfect world (world: SE communities), that would not be the worst idea. But beside the issue with other queues, opening a new one for downvoted answer has a prime difference with VLQ queue. Generally, one does not need domain knowledge of the subject to evaluate low quality posts. On the other hand, a user usually needs to be subject matter expert (or at least familiar with the issue) to fathom the problem with the post and decide whether to downvote or not. Good or bad, we do not still have any restriction on the reviews you can attend based on your knowledge of that tag (i.e. reputation, in the context of SO). So pushing downvoted posts to a queue doesn't seem to be appropriate, at least at the moment.