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Jun 23, 2020 at 12:10 comment added BartoszKP @E_net4thanksyou Not sure who are "we". And I'm not talking about feelings being reasonable or not or what you can cater for or not. I'm referring to the statement by Cody Gray: "None of the concerns about being rude or unwelcoming have had anything to do with downvoting." which is simply untrue.
Jun 22, 2020 at 23:26 comment added LinkBerest - SO sold our work @ourmandave as a negative score will automatically delete the answer/question (and close it if it is a question). If this is an issue the answer is not "downvote less" its "provide better options" (when your only tool is a hammer everything looks like nails situation). I personally see the opposite anymore though - answers & questions getting upvotes to counter the downvotes people are giving to help curate. Its worth looking at in SEDE but difficult to query for (would have to be time delimited by voting groupings)
Jun 22, 2020 at 12:20 comment added ourmandave As for unwelcoming, I've seen bad questions get down voted to -1 or -2 and closed. And when I look again later they've got -4 or -5 down votes, with no further explanation. Piling on = "...and don't come back!"
Jun 22, 2020 at 11:06 comment added NotThatGuy Downvotes is part of why people feel unwelcome, but SE's effort to make people feel more welcome seems to thus far have been limited to what users say.
Jun 22, 2020 at 8:12 comment added E_net4 @BartoszKP Sure, and we are not denying those feelings. On the other hand, some feelings are more reasonable than others in this context. I don't think we can cater for all of them because of their dichotomous nature.
Jun 22, 2020 at 7:54 comment added BartoszKP @E_net4likesdownvotes But the claim was not whose feelings are "justified" (btw. feelings do not need justification, they just are) but whether they exist or not. My link proves such feelings do exist, regardless of other people's feelings.
Jun 22, 2020 at 4:42 comment added LinkBerest - SO sold our work @CodyGray typically SE uses "unwelcoming" or "personal" when describing downvotes (therefore linking it to the welcoming initiative) and give a "use downvotes but really, don't really use downvotes" style answer (i.e. a lot of confusing, mixed answers/comments like the one I linked which starts as "downvotes are good" and ends in "downvotes will always be personal"). Also, removing "doesn't show research" from the downvote tooltip is a pretty clear stop using this in my eyes
Jun 21, 2020 at 20:16 comment added E_net4 @BartoszKP I suppose we can't cater for everyone's feelings, right? :) A line needs to be drawn on which feelings are justified and which are not so much.
Jun 21, 2020 at 14:46 comment added BartoszKP @CodyGray Some people do feel unwelcomed because of the downvotes: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/180692/… . I'm not sure why you think that what you feel is a valid counterexample :)
Jun 21, 2020 at 9:57 comment added Peter Mortensen You can use a budget so your total reputation points never go down: 1) Make a list of answers you want to downvote 2) After the first upvote in any given week spend some or all of it on downvotes (from the list), but not so many that the balance goes negative (search for your user name on that page - the number is the change in the current week (starts Sunday at 00:00:01 UTC))
Jun 20, 2020 at 22:57 history edited Andreas condemns Israel CC BY-SA 4.0
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Jun 20, 2020 at 22:55 comment added Andreas condemns Israel @CodyGray Yes, yes. There are even some bad answers (at the time they were written too) with 50+ net votes. I’ve downvoted some of those.
Jun 20, 2020 at 22:54 comment added Security Hound @TemaniAfif - Daily; It’s happening daily
Jun 20, 2020 at 22:31 comment added Georgy I can relate to the first point. I've almost never downvoted bad answers before reaching 3k reputation.
Jun 20, 2020 at 22:02 comment added Cody Gray Mod I feel highly unwelcomed when I come across a low-quality post that has not been downvoted, despite how many times it's been viewed. It's as if my peers are refusing to help me out by curating or otherwise indicating low-quality content, thus forcing me to look at it anew.
Jun 20, 2020 at 21:48 comment added Andreas condemns Israel @CodyGray No, it’s not part of the welcoming initiative, but people do take downvotes as an unwelcoming feature of the site, and so other means are established to counter that.
Jun 20, 2020 at 21:27 comment added Cody Gray Mod None of the concerns about being rude or unwelcoming have had anything to do with downvoting. It is neither of those things. The voting system is not part of the "welcoming" initiative: that has focused on reducing the number of rude comments, etc.
Jun 20, 2020 at 20:58 comment added Andreas condemns Israel (Also: thanks to whoever encourages me to be a more active downvoter. :))
Jun 20, 2020 at 20:56 comment added Andreas condemns Israel @TemaniAfif The past year. They’ve claimed that Meta is a rude and unfriendly place. Downvotes has been marked as a source of «unwelcomeness» for new members, and the community has been blamed for being so rude.
Jun 20, 2020 at 20:25 comment added Temani Afif By having the SE company stop insulting me by claiming that downvoting is rude. --> when/where this happened?
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