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Apr 2, 2020 at 16:48 comment added lateus @TylerH I think you misunderstand me. I was replying to a comment against "list of things", no "what are all the features of X language/version" which is a lot more specific. It is still exaggerated, tough.
Apr 2, 2020 at 16:05 history closed S.S. Anne
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Duplicate of Are questions asking for feature sets of specific software versions on topic?
Apr 2, 2020 at 16:03 comment added Travis J So you aren't even going to mention the large set of discourse revolving around the c++-faq tag in general? Wouldn't you agree that an organized group was more influencial here than simply a single high rep user? Don't you think that was an essential piece to have disclosed here as part of your smear against high reputation users?
Apr 2, 2020 at 15:54 comment added TylerH @lateo96 My point is it is so wrong that it's not even right as an exaggerated comment.
Apr 2, 2020 at 15:53 comment added lateus @TylerH Uffff again... do not take that literally. That was just an answer to an exaggerated comment.
Apr 2, 2020 at 13:18 comment added TylerH @lateo96 "then about half the questions on this site would be closed" There are nearly 20 million questions on the site. I doubt more than a few hundred of them are 'what are all the features of X language/version'.
Apr 2, 2020 at 7:55 answer added decezeMod timeline score: 4
Apr 2, 2020 at 7:53 answer added Lundin timeline score: 2
Apr 2, 2020 at 6:37 answer added Makoto timeline score: 7
Apr 2, 2020 at 5:00 answer added Nicol Bolas timeline score: 12
Apr 2, 2020 at 3:23 comment added chris @skomisa, My mistake. I should have anticipated those comments would be there.
Apr 2, 2020 at 3:11 comment added skomisa @chris Regarding "I suspect that it's heavily related to the C++17 author seeing a lack of any such comprehensive list" the very first comment to the question posted such a list within 24 hours of the question being asked, and several other links were posted later in comments. And regardless of all that, it's absurd on its face to think that C++ 17 would have been released without a list of the new features. The OP obviously put a lot of effort into that answer, and it's beautifully presented, but it's not as though the information wasn't already available elsewhere.
Apr 2, 2020 at 0:44 answer added Ryan MMod timeline score: 2
Apr 2, 2020 at 0:43 comment added Alexei Levenkov Whether "What are the new features in C++17?" is off-topic or not is already discussed in meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/326951/…... So as long as "New features of C++20?" question can demonstrate that it meets the same reasoning it should be fine... we just need to have answer demonstrating that list is "short" and finite (later is definitely the case as spec if fixed size :) )
Apr 2, 2020 at 0:24 comment added Marco13 Consider the question stackoverflow.com/questions/22866901 : Is it too broad? Yes. Is it (indirectly) asking for off-site resources? Kind of. Is it off-topic? Probably. Is it a "good question" in the classical sense? Certainly not. So (as it was said similarly in some answers here) I think that what we see here has absolutely nothing to do with the reputation of the asker or the answerer (and I wonder why you thought that, but that's another point...)
Apr 2, 2020 at 0:17 answer added HolyBlackCat timeline score: 7
Apr 1, 2020 at 23:35 comment added einpoklum @lateo96: Those are not essentially list questions: Different people will describe the difference between pip and conda differently; and answers which are high-level and summarize are better than a list of anything. ... and I wrote the above before looking at the answers. They bear out what I said.
Apr 1, 2020 at 23:10 comment added lateus The ones provided by @HolyBlackCat are more recent and they are asking for reasons for something.
Apr 1, 2020 at 23:07 comment added lateus @einpoklum this is also 5 years old. It asks "What is the difference between X and Y". If I ask "What is the difference between C++17 and C++20 is right?" stackoverflow.com/questions/20994716/…
Apr 1, 2020 at 23:06 comment added HolyBlackCat Here are some more good questions that ask for list of things. All of them are several years old though: 1 2 3
Apr 1, 2020 at 23:03 comment added lateus @einpoklum take this question as an example, it is 5 years old, not sure if that is too old for you. It asks "Why should I use X and not Y?" And it is right. So if I ask "Why should I use C++20 and not C++17" is rigth despite I am asking the same thing? stackoverflow.com/questions/26623673/…
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Apr 1, 2020 at 22:40 comment added lateus Do not take that literally. That was for the comment of @einpoklum saying that my question was closed because the answer expected is a list of things. Many questions here are answered in form of list. If that is the problem, then the list formatting option should be removed.
Apr 1, 2020 at 22:36 comment added user4581301 @lateo96 then about half question in this site should be closed. I'd go a bit further. Probably a lot further. But I also think that Thanos didn't go far enough.
Apr 1, 2020 at 22:34 comment added lateus @HolyBlackCat the C++17 question is now too-broad and I think you are right, mainly in the "if anything" part, because still the question refers to a very specific and defined thing, that is the new features of a language. Maybe such features can lead to a very broad thing if we talk about the purposes of them, but that's not the case.
Apr 1, 2020 at 22:30 comment added einpoklum @lateo96: Like my answer says - the C++17 answer is, I hope, a fluke. I may be blinded by my own prejudice, but - again, give a few examples. Never mind the title.
Apr 1, 2020 at 22:29 comment added lateus @einpoklum Well, 2017 is no exactly the "far past". But I see your point. Still, a question does not have to say "Give me a list" to being actually requesting for a list, at least implicitly.
Apr 1, 2020 at 22:28 comment added HolyBlackCat "List of C++ books" is off-topic because it "asks for off-site resources". "List of C++20 changes" does not (after the last edit at least). If anything, it could be "too broad".
Apr 1, 2020 at 22:24 comment added einpoklum @lateo96: Ah, ok. Anyway, in the far past there were quite a few questions on SO which today would be off-topic, like the Definitive list of C++ books. If you ignore those, there should be very few or no "give me the list of X" questions. Can you link to a few examples from recent years?
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Apr 1, 2020 at 22:07 comment added lateus @einpoklum maybe, english is not my mother language, but I meant that your comment was based on the final/practical result rather than in the principles or contexts that are beyond that.
Apr 1, 2020 at 22:06 comment added HolyBlackCat @einpoklum I'd say learning the new features of C++20 can also be a problem, if you don't know what exactly was added.
Apr 1, 2020 at 22:05 comment added einpoklum @HolyBlackCat: Those are problems. They're practical to people who come against them when writing obscure code. Now you could say those people's pursuits are not very practical, but let's not get into that...
Apr 1, 2020 at 22:03 answer added S.S. Anne timeline score: 12
Apr 1, 2020 at 22:02 comment added HolyBlackCat @einpoklum Half of the [language-lawyer] questions are not practical, yet the C++ tag community loves them.
Apr 1, 2020 at 22:02 comment added einpoklum @lateo96: Didn't you mean "dogmatic" rather than "pragmatic" ? :-(
Apr 1, 2020 at 22:01 comment added einpoklum @HolyBlackCat: Asking for the list of features of C++17 or 20 is not "a practical ... problem", to quote the helper center page.
Apr 1, 2020 at 21:59 answer added einpoklum timeline score: 14
Apr 1, 2020 at 21:57 comment added HolyBlackCat @einpoklum I agree with lateo96 on this. The help center page on off-topic questions doesn't mention the "asks for a list" thing. I think the mentioned section of the tour (which isn't even normative) is about "lists of off-site resources".
Apr 1, 2020 at 21:57 comment added lateus I know but you said that the other question should be marked as off-topic as well, even when it doesn't request for an URL.
Apr 1, 2020 at 21:56 comment added lateus @einpoklum then about half question in this site should be closed. Do you know how many list-related question I've seen here? Also, I think you are being quite pragmatic on this (about the list I mean)
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Apr 1, 2020 at 21:54 comment added einpoklum @lateo96: In fairness, your question was closed with the URL request still in it.
Apr 1, 2020 at 21:53 comment added einpoklum @HolyBlackCat: The tour says: "Don't ask about: ... requests for lists of things." And "features in C++17" is a huge list of things.
Apr 1, 2020 at 21:52 comment added lateus @HolyBlackCat that is what I want to know. The reason claims that I was requesting for an URL, which I removed. So now the reason is inconsistent with the question.
Apr 1, 2020 at 21:51 comment added HolyBlackCat Can you explain what makes those questions off-topic?
Apr 1, 2020 at 21:46 comment added einpoklum @lateo96: The thing is, SO should not replicate other, non-Q&A sites, like isocpp.org, or cppreference.com, or even the Wikipedia page on C++20. And that's also true for C++17 - so, IMHO, that question should be closed, even now.
Apr 1, 2020 at 21:45 comment added lateus I strongly appreciate the C++17 question because that was what inspired me to learn it. I frequent this site a lot more than many others so I think that this is a good place for such questions that encourage aknowkedge.
Apr 1, 2020 at 21:40 comment added Robert Longson And it has 8 other answers that were so poor quality they had to be deleted.
Apr 1, 2020 at 21:40 answer added StoryTeller - Unslander Monica timeline score: -18
Apr 1, 2020 at 21:39 comment added John Montgomery Clearly there's some contention though, it's been closed and re-opened four times plus another seven unsuccessful trips through the close votes queue.
Apr 1, 2020 at 21:38 comment added chris Carrying forward one of the comments, I suspect that it's heavily related to the C++17 author seeing a lack of any such comprehensive list—being familiar with this specific user, I'm confident he would have found one—and deciding to put in the work to create one and share it. Of course I can't say for sure, but I think it's a reasonable guess. The people here have pretty consistently appreciated high effort.
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