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Most people don't know that the first, and only the first1, edit after closing (if not by one of the close voters) puts a question into the reopen queue. OPs and want-to-be-helpful third party-editors already make small and/or cosmetic edits12, getting a question into the reopen queue, where it subsequently gets voted to remain closed, and rightly so. After that, no edit, however substantial, will ever automatically push the question into the reopen queue. I therefore read the automated reopen proposal as "Let's just skip the reopen queue altogether, shall we?".

Why not fix the ways posts get into the reopen queue, by e.g. not allowing edits by others than the OP into pushing it there? If only cosmetic edits could've made a post on-topic, it shouldn't have been closed to begin with. It's not like the reopen queue is ever overflowing.

Another thought on this would be to let every N-th edit by OP, or every K-days when edited, a maximum of M-times etc, push the question into the queue. Care would need to be taken of course to prevent abuse.


1 Reopen votes will also put a question into the reopen queue, but I'm considering the automatic process here. The premiss of the automatic reopening under consideration in this post is that apparently doing it via vote isn't going fast enough, hence I'm ignoring that for the time being.

2 For example inlining images, code formatting, removing thanks etc. Anything not adding the information required to reopen the post (or removing the multitude of questions to reduce the post to just a single question, etc etc).

A good example is this edit, where the editor just removed tags (not even the garbage in the post itself), but didn't vote to close. This post now gets pushed into the reopen queue, where it will probably be voted to remain closed. No amount of editing by OP will put it back into the queue now.

Most people don't know that the first, and only the first, edit after closing (if not by one of the close voters) puts a question into the reopen queue. OPs and want-to-be-helpful third party-editors already make small and/or cosmetic edits1, getting a question into the reopen queue, where it subsequently gets voted to remain closed, and rightly so. After that, no edit, however substantial, will ever automatically push the question into the reopen queue. I therefore read the automated reopen proposal as "Let's just skip the reopen queue altogether, shall we?".

Why not fix the ways posts get into the reopen queue, by e.g. not allowing edits by others than the OP into pushing it there? If only cosmetic edits could've made a post on-topic, it shouldn't have been closed to begin with. It's not like the reopen queue is ever overflowing.

Another thought on this would be to let every N-th edit by OP, or every K-days when edited, a maximum of M-times etc, push the question into the queue. Care would need to be taken of course to prevent abuse.


1 For example inlining images, code formatting, removing thanks etc. Anything not adding the information required to reopen the post (or removing the multitude of questions to reduce the post to just a single question, etc etc).

A good example is this edit, where the editor just removed tags (not even the garbage in the post itself), but didn't vote to close. This post now gets pushed into the reopen queue, where it will probably be voted to remain closed. No amount of editing by OP will put it back into the queue now.

Most people don't know that the first, and only the first1, edit after closing (if not by one of the close voters) puts a question into the reopen queue. OPs and want-to-be-helpful third party-editors already make small and/or cosmetic edits2, getting a question into the reopen queue, where it subsequently gets voted to remain closed, and rightly so. After that, no edit, however substantial, will ever automatically push the question into the reopen queue. I therefore read the automated reopen proposal as "Let's just skip the reopen queue altogether, shall we?".

Why not fix the ways posts get into the reopen queue, by e.g. not allowing edits by others than the OP into pushing it there? If only cosmetic edits could've made a post on-topic, it shouldn't have been closed to begin with. It's not like the reopen queue is ever overflowing.

Another thought on this would be to let every N-th edit by OP, or every K-days when edited, a maximum of M-times etc, push the question into the queue. Care would need to be taken of course to prevent abuse.


1 Reopen votes will also put a question into the reopen queue, but I'm considering the automatic process here. The premiss of the automatic reopening under consideration in this post is that apparently doing it via vote isn't going fast enough, hence I'm ignoring that for the time being.

2 For example inlining images, code formatting, removing thanks etc. Anything not adding the information required to reopen the post (or removing the multitude of questions to reduce the post to just a single question, etc etc).

A good example is this edit, where the editor just removed tags (not even the garbage in the post itself), but didn't vote to close. This post now gets pushed into the reopen queue, where it will probably be voted to remain closed. No amount of editing by OP will put it back into the queue now.

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Most people don't know that the first, and only the first, edit after closing (if not by one of the close voters) puts a question into the reopen queue. OPs and want-to-be-helpful third party-editors already make small and/or cosmetic edits1, getting a question into the reopen queue, where it subsequently gets voted to remain closed, and rightly so. After that, no edit, however substantial, will ever automatically push the question into the reopen queue. I therefore read the automated reopen proposal as "Let's just skip the reopen queue altogether, shall we?".

Why not fix the ways posts get into the reopen queue, by e.g. not allowing edits by others than the OP into pushing it there? If only cosmetic edits could've made a post on-topic, it shouldn't have been closed to begin with. It's not like the reopen queue is ever overflowing.

Another thought on this would be to let every N-th edit by OP, or every K-days when edited, a maximum of M-times etc, push the question into the queue. Care would need to be taken of course to prevent abuse.


1 For example inlining images, code formatting, removing thanks etc. Anything not adding the information required to reopen the post (or removing the multitude of questionquestions to reduce the post to just a single question, etc etc).

A good example is this edit, where the editor just removed tags (not even the garbage in the post itself), but didn't vote to close. This post now gets pushed into the reopen queue, where it will probably be voted to remain closed. No amount of editing by OP will put it back into the queue now.

Most people don't know that the first, and only the first, edit after closing (if not by one of the close voters) puts a question into the reopen queue. OPs and want-to-be-helpful third party-editors already make small and/or cosmetic edits1, getting a question into the reopen queue, where it subsequently gets voted to remain closed, and rightly so. After that, no edit, however substantial, will ever automatically push the question into the reopen queue. I therefore read the automated reopen proposal as "Let's just skip the reopen queue altogether, shall we?".

Why not fix the ways posts get into the reopen queue, by e.g. not allowing edits by others than the OP into pushing it there? If only cosmetic edits could've made a post on-topic, it shouldn't have been closed to begin with. It's not like the reopen queue is ever overflowing.

Another thought on this would be to let every N-th edit by OP, or every K-days when edited, a maximum of M-times etc, push the question into the queue. Care would need to be taken of course to prevent abuse.


1 For example inlining images, code formatting, removing thanks etc. Anything not adding the information required to reopen the post (or removing the multitude of question to reduce the post to just a single question, etc etc).

A good example is this edit, where the editor just removed tags (not even the garbage in the post itself), but didn't vote to close. This post now gets pushed into the reopen queue, where it will probably be voted to remain closed. No amount of editing by OP will put it back into the queue now.

Most people don't know that the first, and only the first, edit after closing (if not by one of the close voters) puts a question into the reopen queue. OPs and want-to-be-helpful third party-editors already make small and/or cosmetic edits1, getting a question into the reopen queue, where it subsequently gets voted to remain closed, and rightly so. After that, no edit, however substantial, will ever automatically push the question into the reopen queue. I therefore read the automated reopen proposal as "Let's just skip the reopen queue altogether, shall we?".

Why not fix the ways posts get into the reopen queue, by e.g. not allowing edits by others than the OP into pushing it there? If only cosmetic edits could've made a post on-topic, it shouldn't have been closed to begin with. It's not like the reopen queue is ever overflowing.

Another thought on this would be to let every N-th edit by OP, or every K-days when edited, a maximum of M-times etc, push the question into the queue. Care would need to be taken of course to prevent abuse.


1 For example inlining images, code formatting, removing thanks etc. Anything not adding the information required to reopen the post (or removing the multitude of questions to reduce the post to just a single question, etc etc).

A good example is this edit, where the editor just removed tags (not even the garbage in the post itself), but didn't vote to close. This post now gets pushed into the reopen queue, where it will probably be voted to remain closed. No amount of editing by OP will put it back into the queue now.

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Most people don't know that the first, and only the first, edit after closing (if not by one of the close voters) puts a question into the reopen queue. OPs and want-to-be-helpful third party-editors already make small and/or cosmetic edits1, getting a question into the reopen queue, where it subsequently gets voted to remain closed, and rightly so. After that, no edit, however substantial, will ever automatically push the question into the reopen queue. I therefore read the automated reopen proposal as "Let's just skip the reopen queue altogether, shall we?".

Why not fix the ways posts get into the reopen queue, by e.g. not allowing edits by others than the OP into pushing it there? If only cosmetic edits could've made a post on-topic, it shouldn't have been closed to begin with. It's not like the reopen queue is ever overflowing.

Another thought on this would be to let every N-th edit by OP, or every K-days when edited, a maximum of M-times etc, push the question into the queue. Care would need to be taken of course to prevent abuse.


1 For example inlining images, code formatting, removing thanks etc. Anything not adding the information required to reopen the post (or removing the multitude of question to reduce the post to just a single question, etc etc).

A good example is this editthis edit, where the editor just removed tags (not even the garbage in the post itself), but didn't vote to close. This post now gets pushed into the reopen queue, where it will probably getsbe voted to remain closed. No amount of editing by OP will put it back into the queue now.

Most people don't know that the first, and only the first, edit after closing (if not by one of the close voters) puts a question into the reopen queue. OPs and want-to-be-helpful third party-editors already make small and/or cosmetic edits1, getting a question into the reopen queue, where it subsequently gets voted to remain closed, and rightly so. After that, no edit, however substantial, will ever automatically push the question into the reopen queue. I therefore read the automated reopen proposal as "Let's just skip the reopen queue altogether, shall we?".

Why not fix the ways posts get into the reopen queue, by e.g. not allowing edits by others than the OP into pushing it there? If only cosmetic edits could've made a post on-topic, it shouldn't have been closed to begin with. It's not like the reopen queue is ever overflowing.

Another thought on this would be to let every N-th edit by OP, or every K-days when edited, a maximum of M-times etc, push the question into the queue. Care would need to be taken of course to prevent abuse.


1 For example inlining images, code formatting, removing thanks etc. Anything not adding the information required to reopen the post (or removing the multitude of question to reduce the post to just a single question, etc etc).

A good example is this edit, where the editor just removed tags (not even the garbage in the post itself), but didn't vote to close. This post now gets pushed into the reopen queue, where it will probably gets voted to remain closed. No amount of editing by OP will put it back into the queue.

Most people don't know that the first, and only the first, edit after closing (if not by one of the close voters) puts a question into the reopen queue. OPs and want-to-be-helpful third party-editors already make small and/or cosmetic edits1, getting a question into the reopen queue, where it subsequently gets voted to remain closed, and rightly so. After that, no edit, however substantial, will ever automatically push the question into the reopen queue. I therefore read the automated reopen proposal as "Let's just skip the reopen queue altogether, shall we?".

Why not fix the ways posts get into the reopen queue, by e.g. not allowing edits by others than the OP into pushing it there? If only cosmetic edits could've made a post on-topic, it shouldn't have been closed to begin with. It's not like the reopen queue is ever overflowing.

Another thought on this would be to let every N-th edit by OP, or every K-days when edited, a maximum of M-times etc, push the question into the queue. Care would need to be taken of course to prevent abuse.


1 For example inlining images, code formatting, removing thanks etc. Anything not adding the information required to reopen the post (or removing the multitude of question to reduce the post to just a single question, etc etc).

A good example is this edit, where the editor just removed tags (not even the garbage in the post itself), but didn't vote to close. This post now gets pushed into the reopen queue, where it will probably be voted to remain closed. No amount of editing by OP will put it back into the queue now.

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