Timeline for Why was my edit adding official documentation rejected?
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Feb 5, 2020 at 9:56 | comment | added | Tensibai | @VLAZ sincerely, I'd reject. While the help center recommend adding links, it also says "Tiny, trivial edits are discouraged", this one qualify as Trivial and tiny IMHO. On a recent edit I would check the link to gauge it or skip if the subject is out of my knowledge to judge the link as "link addition are ok in themselves" is the consensus I remember but disagree with. | |
Feb 5, 2020 at 9:21 | comment | added | VLAZ | Let's re-frame this, then - if that post was from yesterday and you saw the same edit made on it - would you approve it? If yes - then it's a good edit. If no - then it's not. | |
Feb 5, 2020 at 9:17 | comment | added | Tensibai | @VLAZ no that's not my premise: what I said is adding link to arcane/hard to find docs is really worthy, trivial to find link are more debatable and require to weight the usefulness. The problem is maybe that what you and I consider a "good" edit differ? I'd say this one is not substantial enough to worth the bump. My answer is all about that "weighting" but probably badly worded somehow if you read it as "minor bumps shouldn't be done on old posts" | |
Feb 5, 2020 at 9:04 | comment | added | VLAZ | As I said - "all bumps are bad if they don't bring up new information". That's your premise, no? Or is it only specifically this one edit which doesn't bring up new information, but another edit that equally doesn't could be good? Well, whatever the case, I challenge the assumption that a good edit should not be done to an old question. | |
Feb 5, 2020 at 9:01 | comment | added | Tensibai | @VLAZ I thought "to find just a link to documentation which can be taken as an useless bump." made that clear I was talking of the specific case here of just a link to documentation in a old answer. That's not all bumps. | |
Feb 5, 2020 at 8:57 | comment | added | VLAZ | Yet the assumption was that all bumps are bad if they don't bring up new information. I challenge that assumption. The post could be new information. Or could spawn other posts that can be valuable. | |
Feb 5, 2020 at 8:52 | comment | added | Tensibai | @VLAZ there's a fair difference to ending on something after a search and having it coming up in a feed because of a "trivial" update. As I said that's a matter of balance, if there's indeed something new, that's good. For something with already 6 answers, the added benefit vs the wasted time of tag follower is debatable in my opinion | |
Feb 5, 2020 at 8:31 | comment | added | VLAZ | OK, let's say the edit is approved. This bumps the post to the front page. And that's bad. Yet it just begs the question "why is bumping the post bad?". Isn't it possibly good - somebody might come in and offer a new perspective in the form of a new answer. Or maybe somebody will come up with a new question inspired from the existing posts. Is that bad? Why is bad for people to see content that's not current? Aren't people who land on posts from web searches doing this all the time? Is it bad for them, too? | |
Feb 4, 2020 at 14:41 | comment | added | Chuck Adams | Atwood characterizes SO as a type of Wiki rather than a forum. If minor edits are discouraged because they "bump" a post, perhaps then the UI of the site shouldn't do that. I've given up any hope that SO will ever see significant UI changes though. | |
Feb 4, 2020 at 13:15 | comment | added | Tensibai | Ok fair point, I just thought it was a good counter point of mine and did worth an answer of its own about edits in general :) | |
Feb 4, 2020 at 12:22 | comment | added | yivi | Not posting an answer because I can't really say why these reviewers reviewed the way they did. Can't tell. If I encountered this edit I would have skipped, since I don't know enough to judge if the link is really appropriate and pertinent. But I do have an opinion on saying "we should discourage edits to old posts" and on giving too much importance to "question bumping" in a site that receives thousands of questions per day, that's all. | |
Feb 4, 2020 at 12:18 | comment | added | Tensibai | @yivi well, seems like you should post a counter answer instead of this comment then :) I always weight the benefit/cost of an edit, I never really agreed on the doc links are worthwhile edits, but that's the actual consensus so I based myself on that | |
Feb 4, 2020 at 11:50 | comment | added | Nick is tired | @yivi Fair enough :), personally I wouldn't approve it, but I wouldn't reject it either, i'd skip and let the wave of robo-reviewers behind me decide what to do | |
Feb 4, 2020 at 11:49 | comment | added | yivi | @NickA I disagree. I believe supporting links are good and useful. And if an edit improves a post, and the post is not otherwise unsalvageable, I don't believe the reviewers should be so picky. They are volunteering their time in the same way than the editor. | |
Feb 4, 2020 at 11:45 | comment | added | Nick is tired | @yivi I agree post age is irrelevant, but I wouldn't say it's as simple as "Either the edit was good and improved the post, or it wasn't.", an edit can improve a post, but it can still be a poor edit and a waste of time for reviewers, such as in this case, why bother adding a documentation link when your favourite search engine is just as good. | |
Feb 4, 2020 at 11:18 | comment | added | yivi | The age of the post is irrelevant when judging the quality of an edit. Either the edit was good and improved the post, or it wasn't. This is true for "suggested" edits and for edits performed by users with full edit privileges. | |
Feb 4, 2020 at 11:17 | comment | added | vwvw | I rarely browse SO and was not aware that the edits would bump the question up. And yeah, didn't check the age of the question as I didn't thought it would have any impact on the usefullness of the edit. How would you balance the fact that older question are more popular and therefore even a simple edit can save little time to a lot of people? | |
Feb 4, 2020 at 11:13 | history | answered | Tensibai | CC BY-SA 4.0 |