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Feb 7, 2020 at 3:39 comment added Justin Time - Reinstate Monica As someone who tried to provide both beginner-friendly and intricate descriptions of inner workings on Documentation, I can very much attest to running into the lack of structure mentioned by @DalijaPrasnikar head-on.
Jan 27, 2020 at 8:29 comment added Dalija Prasnikar Mod @PeterMortensen Teaching (learning resource) requires structure. SO does not have any structure at all. Even Documentation lacked proper structure.
Jan 23, 2020 at 21:11 comment added Peter - Reinstate Monica @Script47 "the goal of this site was not to help new beginners": It is now. The exponential growth which is the business target clearly requires a focus on beginners.
Jan 23, 2020 at 19:30 comment added barbecue @Pchandrasekar the problem is, they ARE mutually exclusive if you are talking about a single resource. You can NOT have both in a single place. You CAN have both, in two separate places.
Jan 22, 2020 at 2:22 comment added correcthorsebatterystaple @Pchandrasekar If SO now seeks to teach "new generations of beginners," does that mean the site is no longer "for professional and enthusiast programmers?" And if so, what will the site be doing to be suitable for beginners, because as Atwood lays out, it's currently the opposite of that, and that extends to the core of the site's design rather than just community behavior.
Jan 21, 2020 at 22:29 comment added Zev Spitz ... Isn't the only possible resolution for this conflict, to make crystal clear this vision of a quality archive, to manage beginners' expectations?
Jan 21, 2020 at 22:27 comment added Zev Spitz @Pchandrasekar [W]e do not believe that welcoming, teaching, and empowering new generations of beginners is mutually exclusive with building a quality archive. Won't these two goals inevitably conflict? A "quality archive" requires some minimum standard of quality, which means some contributions will be rejected; those contributors are liable to feel unwelcome. And the poor beginner now has to manage a double learning load -- both learning the new skill in question, and learning how to meet the standards of quality; the higher likelihood of failure is invariably not empowering. ...
Jan 21, 2020 at 21:04 comment added Robert Harvey @PeterMortensen: Sure. Just don't pretend that the existing platform supports this in any way, shape or form, or expect that some small tweaks would get it done. it would take a major undertaking to do it right, and there's already been one failed attempt.
Jan 21, 2020 at 21:02 comment added Peter Mortensen @Robert Harvey: But perhaps it is time to extend the platform with a teaching aspect? (Like it was extended with a chat facility.)
Jan 21, 2020 at 20:59 history edited Peter Mortensen CC BY-SA 4.0
Active reading [<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentence_clause_structure#Run-on_(fused)_sentences> (see also <https://twitter.com/PeterMortensen/status/1199839973215739907>) ].
Jan 21, 2020 at 19:34 comment added Robert Harvey @Pchandrasekar: I don't believe they are mutually exclusive either. But sometimes that encouragement has to come in the form of "learn the fundamentals first." The Stack Exchange platform was never designed to provide extensive teaching of the fundamentals of software development to neophytes. Nobody teaches brain surgery to a first-year med student. Nobody teaches taking a company public to an intern.
Jan 21, 2020 at 18:17 comment added Script47 'Respectfully, we do not believe that welcoming, teaching, and empowering new generations of beginners is mutually exclusive with building a quality archive.' - Please, STOP using these buzz words, also, respectfully, the goal of this site was not to help new beginners or to empower them. Those were side effects.
Jan 21, 2020 at 18:16 comment added Script47 @Pchandrasekar should I expect a comment addressing the other points I raised?
Jan 21, 2020 at 18:15 comment added Prashanth Chandrasekar StaffMod Thanks for the question. Respectfully, we do not believe that welcoming, teaching, and empowering new generations of beginners is mutually exclusive with building a quality archive. As noted in one of my comments above, we also pay attention to question quality and have been encouraged by recent data. You can check out our research on this topic and how we define question quality at the link below. stackoverflow.blog/2019/11/12/…
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