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Dec 9, 2019 at 16:32 comment added Mark Ransom @trlkly "Why give canned responses instead of genuinely trying to help?" Sometimes the system adds the canned response itself. For example if you identify the question as a duplicate. Personally I hate being associated with a comment I didn't write.
Dec 4, 2019 at 20:31 comment added Travis J @Makyen - I would assume the percent of times the OP actually edits the post after the canned comment is rather low. It would also be slightly inflated by situations where the OP edited the post with disregard to the canned comment. From inspection, there is also a strong correlation between posting a canned comment and also being a close voter for closed posts. Just because a canned comment can explain something generically doesn't mean that it will be successful, even if the content in the canned comment is informative.
Dec 4, 2019 at 20:17 comment added Makyen Mod Ultimately, it would be nice if enough people were moderating so each question could have individual attention. Reality is that there's way too many questions compared to the time available from the number of people who are moderating. If the comment is actually helpful, then it's better to have it, regardless of if it is canned or personalized. If the comment isn't helpful (e.g. primarily a way for the commenter to express frustration) then it's better not to have it. But, again, that comes down to the content of the comment, not, directly, if it was personalized to the specific question/OP.
Dec 4, 2019 at 20:17 comment added Makyen Mod @TravisJ I partially agree with that, but also disagree. For example, in the tags I frequent, I can provide a canned comment that explains what's needed in ~95% of the cases where the user hasn't provided enough information for a MCVE/MRE. Explaining the things actually needed is significantly superior to the stock close reason for MRE, which doesn't explain what's actually needed to reproduce problems in those tags. Sometimes, that comment needs to be modified to the situation, but most of the time, it's fine just as a canned comment, and often gets OPs to edit in enough info for a MCVE/MRE.
Dec 4, 2019 at 19:48 comment added Travis J @Makyen - Not taking the time to invest in the question is the problem with canned comments. If users are not interested in investing time, then there is no point in them posting any sort of comment. Especially in today's environment where the tooling now allows for simply actioning the post and having that result in actual closure; users not interested in becoming involved should just action the post and move on. Let the system handle the messaging and process for users fixing questions.
Dec 4, 2019 at 19:28 comment added Makyen Mod @TravisJ I agree there are a number of comments similar to "what have you tried" which are rarely, if ever, helpful. Such a comment doesn't provide the OP with any actionable information/direction which would allow them to improve their question. However, I'd argue that the issue is the content of the comment, not the fact that it's a canned comment, or that it's not personalized. While, yes, a personalized comment is often better, there's an important trade-off to be made between the time that requires and the number of questions which are posted on SO.
Dec 4, 2019 at 19:16 comment added Travis J @Makyen - If I leave a comment, it is personalized and only in the case where it is clear the asker is attentive. That route is highly effective. What I have observed in the past decade from canned comments though is thousands of times where absolutely nothing positive happens, mostly from prolific canned comment users. Canned comment content is not really helpful, and is constantly being revised with outlook to leave an actual customized message. In that same regard, "what have you tried" is permanently banned from comments unless it is actually descriptive of the issue.
Dec 4, 2019 at 19:13 comment added Makyen Mod @TravisJ Your experience with comments prior to close appears significantly different than mine. I've found that leaving a comment, primarily canned comments, that point out what needs to be improved in the question is usually helpful and often gets a positive response from the OP (i.e. the question is often improved prior to closure). Perhaps the primary issue is the comment content, rather than a general statement about the results of the leaving comments. Note: I agree there are a significant number of comments which end up negative for the OP, but that's mostly due to the comment content.
Dec 4, 2019 at 19:00 comment added S.S. Anne @TravisJ Yes, but in other cases it can be fixed, as in the case of a missing MCVE.
Dec 4, 2019 at 18:49 comment added Travis J @JL2210 - Unfortunately sometimes there is no amount of fixing that can be done. Misconceptions about the platform lead to users asking questions, which even if they are formed perfectly, are simply off topic. At times, it is possible that a polite inquiry results in improvements, but that requires the asker to actually be present (sometimes they are not so attentive).
Dec 4, 2019 at 18:47 comment added S.S. Anne @TravisJ Well, if you ask the user politely to fix their question they usually give an effort.
Dec 4, 2019 at 18:33 comment added Travis J @JL2210 - Yeah, I did say that :) Although someone else would have as well. Commenting on questions which are in the process of closure rarely helps. Answers can be a different story sometimes.
Dec 4, 2019 at 18:31 comment added Travis J @trlkly - Fully agree. However, there are users who do that. Many of them are convinced it helps even though I rarely, if ever, see any positive reaction to their canned comments. There is even a whole chat room that coordinates such activity (SOCVR).
Dec 4, 2019 at 12:44 comment added S.S. Anne Solution: Don't leave comments on posts you downvoted or voted to close. (just realized that you're the same person that told me that)
Dec 4, 2019 at 11:09 comment added trlkly I don't understand that friction. Why would you sit around waiting for the Question to be closed? Why give canned responses instead of genuinely trying to help? Or, if you don't have time, why not just move on, and wait for the closure to happen? Why actually be there waiting for it to happen?
Dec 3, 2019 at 20:01 comment added Travis J @MeganRisdal - Awesome :) Definitely exciting to see some of these projects moving forward!
Dec 3, 2019 at 19:42 comment added Meg Risdal StaffMod We have some cool stuff in the pipeline continuing on this theme that I hope we can tease soon. :) Thanks for this feedback!
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