Timeline for We’re lowering the close/reopen vote threshold from 5 to 3 for good
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Jan 2, 2020 at 19:04 | comment | added | amsquareb | @CodyGray You are getting me wrong. My point is, what is the significance of any 'test', when you have no 'appeal' process, and the decisions of mods are final? Who is to say and check if they are abusing their power or taking wrong decisions? Why am I being imposed a 'decision' without getting a chance to put forward my case? Bdw, there is a thing called civilization and democracy in between the 'Wild West' and 'Dictatorship' - those two aren't the only options u know. | |
Jan 2, 2020 at 6:29 | comment | added | Cody Gray Mod | Uh, yeah. This is a moderated, curated website, @amsquareb, not the Wild West. We have requirements. | |
Jan 2, 2020 at 5:46 | comment | added | amsquareb | @CodyGray That is exactly what I meant by dictatorial - you HAVE TO edit, you have no choice. | |
Jan 1, 2020 at 21:02 | comment | added | Cody Gray Mod | @amsquareb The appeal process is the same as it's always been: you edit the question, following the provided guidance, to ensure that it conforms to our requirements for questions. This edit then places the question into a review queue, where 5 (now 3) votes will re-open it. | |
Jan 1, 2020 at 9:30 | comment | added | amsquareb | I bet that even if u have lowered d threshold to just ONE vote, it wud hv still given u positive results, BECAUSE..where is the place for other side of the story here? What or Where can the questioner appeal against? Is there a process/way in which the questioner can put forth his/her counter arguments against the closing? The closing process here is pure dictatorial. With no place for beginners, this site has become BY THE ELITES, OF THE ELITES and FOR THE ELITES! And for the same reason it's bound to doom. Elites can do much but can't think like a beginner and THAT has it's own unique value. | |
Jan 1, 2020 at 3:58 | history | edited | Cody GrayMod |
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Dec 31, 2019 at 22:56 | history | rollback | Tim |
Rollback to Revision 4
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Dec 31, 2019 at 22:50 | history | edited | S.S. Anne | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
Unless this changes let's make it easier to read for some people who might not know English that well.
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Dec 31, 2019 at 16:11 | answer | added | Tim | timeline score: -26 | |
Dec 26, 2019 at 10:06 | history | reopened | Cody GrayMod | ||
Dec 26, 2019 at 10:06 | history | closed |
Ben Aston Kiran Shahi Zerium Cody GrayMod |
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Dec 23, 2019 at 14:33 | answer | added | kvantour | timeline score: -13 | |
Dec 20, 2019 at 13:31 | comment | added | Ian Ringrose | @AlexJansen StackOverflow is not for discussions, it is only for well defined programing question and direct answers to the questions. | |
Dec 19, 2019 at 19:30 | review | Close votes | |||
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Dec 19, 2019 at 16:37 | history | reopened | Cody GrayMod | ||
Dec 19, 2019 at 10:17 | history | closed |
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Dec 17, 2019 at 2:13 | answer | added | Xiong Chiamiov | timeline score: 12 | |
Dec 15, 2019 at 15:30 | review | Close votes | |||
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Dec 15, 2019 at 6:13 | history | reopened |
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Dec 15, 2019 at 0:15 | review | Reopen votes | |||
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Dec 15, 2019 at 0:04 | history | closed |
jhpratt Divyang Desai NullPoiиteя Sebastián Palma cs95 |
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Dec 11, 2019 at 21:00 | comment | added | Travis J | @AlexJansen - If you see a category of question being closed that believe would be productive to have at Stack Overflow, perhaps start a discussion on what the impact would be of allowing those. | |
Dec 11, 2019 at 6:39 | comment | added | Alex Jansen | As an ordinary user this disappoints me. Finding productive discussions which were cut off by close votes is already a frequent and frustrating experience for users. I understand that SO is more about curating questions than appealing to the masses, but these sorts of decisions tend to piss off more people (do most users even have accounts?) than I believe most moderators realize. | |
Dec 10, 2019 at 13:54 | comment | added | Federico Navarrete | It seems like a positive change in SO! Finally, we are reducing the boundaries! For very a considerable time, this was a positive change in the right direction. Maybe in the future, there could be a possibility to extend it to other Stack sites. Not to all or maybe there should be a team that could discuss it with the internal moderators of each area. | |
Dec 10, 2019 at 3:15 | review | Close votes | |||
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Dec 9, 2019 at 18:44 | comment | added | Brett | I don't see this as a good change for the most part; considering SO suffers from trigger happy close voters, all this does is make it easier for them to close a question. | |
Dec 8, 2019 at 10:41 | answer | added | vsz | timeline score: 14 | |
Dec 8, 2019 at 3:00 | comment | added | ivan_pozdeev | A step in the right direction, but the experiment's results showed that it's still not enough to handle all the incoming review items. So my (re)quest for further efficiency improvements ideas for which have crystallized remains. <sub>(And I'm still on the strike.)</sub> | |
Dec 8, 2019 at 1:42 | comment | added | Tom | Shouldn't the threshold be set to 3 on MSO as well? It currently looks like to not be the case, for example this question required 5 votes to be closed. | |
Dec 6, 2019 at 13:40 | comment | added | Braiam | @JamesWong-ReinstateMonica the same amount that gets reopened for the same causes. | |
Dec 6, 2019 at 1:36 | comment | added | James Wong | Lowering it to 3. Am curious if this increases the likelihood of posts getting closed due to low quality moderations. | |
Dec 5, 2019 at 22:46 | comment | added | Chloe | Why not split the difference and set it to 4? | |
Dec 5, 2019 at 13:04 | answer | added | Dalija PrasnikarMod | timeline score: 18 | |
Dec 5, 2019 at 12:11 | comment | added | President James K. Polk | Obviously any change like this has pros/cons, but overall I think this change will prove to be a significant improvement to stackoverflow. And happy birthday, Megan! | |
Dec 4, 2019 at 23:17 | comment | added | Cody Gray Mod | @skomisa That issue is addressed by everyone having edit rights. If you see a question closed as unclear that is perfectly obvious to you, given your expertise in the subject, then you should edit it, clarifying to others what is clear to you. That'll then allow the question to be reopened (and reopening is easier, too, since the same vote count threshold applies to reopening as it does to closing). | |
Dec 4, 2019 at 23:13 | comment | added | Bob Jarvis - Слава Україні | Happy Birthday. Should we be concerned about keeping you away from Rings of Power? | |
Dec 4, 2019 at 22:01 | comment | added | AlexH | For once, a Stack Overflow Company meta post that has more than 0 votes! | |
Dec 4, 2019 at 20:46 | comment | added | Catija Staff | @VE7JRO Open a discussion on your meta site about what you'd like the number to be (either 1 or 3 or 5) and once you've talked it through, ping me in the TL and I'll get a one-month test started. | |
Dec 4, 2019 at 20:17 | comment | added | skomisa | My concern with 3 vote closing was that it became more likely for questions to be close voted by people with little or no expertise at all with the question's tags. Has any analysis of that scenario been done? Of course you don't always need to be a SME to know when a poor question should be closed. But anecdotally, I saw questions being closed during the trial period because they allegedly weren't clear, when it was blindingly obvious what the poster was asking if you truly understood the question. | |
Dec 4, 2019 at 19:20 | comment | added | VE7JRO | @MeganRisdal Can you tell me how to start this process for the Arduino SE? | |
Dec 4, 2019 at 17:02 | comment | added | EJoshuaS - Stand with Ukraine | Thanks for this - I wish I could upvote this twice. | |
Dec 4, 2019 at 13:33 | answer | added | NathanOliver | timeline score: 42 | |
Dec 4, 2019 at 8:11 | comment | added | Ocaso Protal | @Don'tPanic winterbash2019.stackexchange.com Ohhhh and Happy Birthday Megan and thanks a lot for your work Shog and all the others involved! | |
Dec 4, 2019 at 4:33 | history | edited | Robert Harvey | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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Dec 4, 2019 at 1:44 | history | edited | Meg RisdalStaffMod | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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Dec 3, 2019 at 22:42 | comment | added | TylerH | @wim No; they'll need an additional vote to put them over the edge. | |
Dec 3, 2019 at 22:33 | comment | added | wim | Will this eventually apply on posts which currently have 3-4 close votes currently sitting on them? They seem to be still open.. | |
Dec 3, 2019 at 21:51 | comment | added | Meg Risdal StaffMod | @JeroenMostert ::enthusiastic clapping:: | |
Dec 3, 2019 at 21:38 | comment | added | Jeroen Mostert | Finally we are no longer living in sin, for on the matter of close votes it is written: "three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out." | |
Dec 3, 2019 at 21:18 | comment | added | S.S. Anne | @pault They require another close vote. | |
Dec 3, 2019 at 21:10 | comment | added | pault | What happens to questions that currently have 3 CVs? Do they get auto-closed, or is a 4th CV required? | |
Dec 3, 2019 at 20:32 | comment | added | NoDataDumpNoContribution | That's very nice. Now it's kind of rewarding again to close vote. It's still work and maybe even with 3 close votes not enough questions can be closed but definitely more than before. | |
Dec 3, 2019 at 20:13 | answer | added | S.S. Anne | timeline score: 9 | |
Dec 3, 2019 at 19:25 | answer | added | Travis J | timeline score: 74 | |
Dec 3, 2019 at 19:17 | answer | added | user10957435 | timeline score: 27 | |
Dec 3, 2019 at 19:04 | comment | added | Shog9 | We got a lot of good feedback on that idea, @TylerH - I think we can do better than what I proposed without a lot of extra work. But that'll have to wait for a new year... | |
Dec 3, 2019 at 18:59 | comment | added | Meg Risdal StaffMod | @TylerH We're still considering it. | |
Dec 3, 2019 at 18:58 | comment | added | TylerH | This is great! I'm guessing this means Shog's musings on requiring a consensus of 2 or 3 votes (up to a cap of 5 total votes as (previously) always) to close a question a bit quicker than normal will not be implemented, then? | |
Dec 3, 2019 at 18:57 | comment | added | LittleBobbyTables - Au Revoir | I'm confused. This seems like a good change, and I'm not used to those lately. | |
Dec 3, 2019 at 18:34 | comment | added | Makyen Mod | @MeganRisdal Yeah, my comment was intended as a pun, but didn't end up working all that well. | |
Dec 3, 2019 at 18:20 | comment | added | Robert Harvey | Not for nothing, but levity is not in vogue on meta sites anymore, even for staff members. But thanks for the voting change anyway. One of the most positive things I've seen happen on SE in awhile. | |
Dec 3, 2019 at 17:50 | comment | added | Erik A | Thank you! I'm eager to learn what the next steps will be in improving feedback, but slow and steady I guess. I also appreciate the direct communication surrounding this change. | |
Dec 3, 2019 at 17:40 | comment | added | Shog9 | Other sites can have whatever threshold is most appropriate for them, @gnat | |
Dec 3, 2019 at 17:36 | comment | added | gnat | is it considered to be kept only for SO? so that other sites will have threshold 5 | |
Dec 3, 2019 at 17:31 | comment | added | Shog9 | I prefer to think that it can also be interpreted as "for great justice", @Makyen... | |
Dec 3, 2019 at 17:27 | comment | added | Modus Tollens | Happy Birthday! And thanks for the early christmas gift :) | |
Dec 3, 2019 at 17:20 | comment | added | Meg Risdal StaffMod | @Makyen "For good" as in "permanently". | |
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Dec 3, 2019 at 17:16 | comment | added | Machavity Mod | @GeorgeStocker Questions were worth 10 points. Then 5. Now we're back to 10. Everything is permanent until it isn't | |
Dec 3, 2019 at 17:16 | comment | added | Andras Deak -- Слава Україні | Many happy returns! :) | |
Dec 3, 2019 at 17:15 | comment | added | Makyen Mod | This is "for good", and it is. Is there something you're planning on doing "for bad"? :-) | |
Dec 3, 2019 at 17:06 | comment | added | Davy M | Happy birthday! | |
Dec 3, 2019 at 16:59 | answer | added | Makoto | timeline score: 278 | |
Dec 3, 2019 at 16:51 | history | asked | Meg RisdalStaffMod | CC BY-SA 4.0 |