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Dec 5, 2019 at 18:09 comment added coderanger @JörgWMittag Imagine if we had a Blue Q&A site and a Yellow Q&A site. And then thousands of people showed up asking Green questions. That doesn't mean Blue and Yellow don't exist, but it does mean that trying divide things by "primary color" is no longer an effective strategy.
Dec 5, 2019 at 8:35 comment added Jörg W Mittag How exactly is this question programming-related: serverfault.com/q/994181/1499 ?
Dec 2, 2019 at 9:21 comment added gnat did you ask at SF meta whether they would want this?
Dec 1, 2019 at 6:26 comment added Dan Is Fiddling By Firelight Unless the moderation culture at serverfault has massively mellowed out, sending most devops questions their way would end badly because they emphatically didn't want the more basic sort of questions that devs trying to do sysadmin work regularly end up asking.
Dec 1, 2019 at 6:25 comment added Cody Gray Mod If it involves code, @Peter, it’s on-topic. If it’s about configuring your server or environment, it’s not.
Dec 1, 2019 at 5:39 answer added D.W. timeline score: 2
Dec 1, 2019 at 4:57 comment added coderanger Is CSS a programming language? Is HTML? I think Nginx config files are turing complete, how about those? Dockerfiles involve shell scripts, what percentage makes it programming? At some point it’s all just ways to make the machines do what we want. And if the goal is segregation of the communities, what value does that bring in and of itself? Is it easier for me to read questions on ServerFault than SO? Once a site has gone past the point that no one human can possibly be an expert in even a reasonable fraction of the topics on it, what value does splitting things up bring us?
Dec 1, 2019 at 4:55 comment added Peter Mortensen @Cody Gray: How is infrastructure as code not programming related? That is the direction DevOps is moving in. It can be declarative and/or imperative. It can e.g. involve a very large number of lines of code in PowerShell.
Dec 1, 2019 at 4:48 history edited Peter Mortensen CC BY-SA 4.0
Active reading. [<http://stackoverflow.com/legal/trademark-guidance> (the last section)]. Expanded.
Dec 1, 2019 at 4:47 comment added Cody Gray Mod It sounds like you would be very surprised by the number of cooking and relationship questions we get asked on Stack Overflow. At any rate, I don’t see the boundary between network infrastructure questions and programming questions as being a “fuzzy” one. Programming languages are a pretty well-defined group. Docker isn’t a programming language by any stretch of the imagination, just like VirtualBox and VMWare aren’t programming languages.
Dec 1, 2019 at 3:19 comment added coderanger That is a false dichotomy, the specific case of the already fuzzy boundary between “programming” and “operations” becoming literally nonexistent is different from saying every audience is the same. While I’m sure some questions exist in the world that span tech and physics (as an example) the volume is not nearly the same as those that span dev and ops. My feelings on the term “DevOps” aside, it shows just how interlinked these communities are now, there is no clean dividing line and trying to force one only hurts the community.
Dec 1, 2019 at 3:11 comment added Cody Gray Mod Should we also allow physics, cooking, and philosophy questions on Stack Overflow? There are sites for each of those topics, too, and as you mentioned, they are far smaller than Stack Overflow.
Dec 1, 2019 at 2:45 comment added coderanger Except that is not what has happened. The traffic to SO is waaaaay higher than anything else. This is where the people are, trying to push them elsewhere feels at best unproductive. We already have tags to help divvy up the community by topics and areas of expertise, otherwise why does it make any more sense to put C++ and CSS in the same Q&A site (compared to Kubernetes Go API questions vs. CLI questions which are generally very similar in terms of audience)?
Dec 1, 2019 at 2:42 comment added Cody Gray Mod See the last sentence. The whole point of splitting sites by topic is to create a focused, expert community. I argued about it when it started to splinter, asking, e.g., what the purpose of a Unix/Linux site was, when we already had Super User, but everyone told me that I was crazy. So as long as that’s the order of the day, Kubernetes configuration questions are not programming questions, and thus do not belong on Stack Overflow, whose exclusive charter is software development questions. Neither do HTTP server configuration questions, or Windows configuration questions. A theme emerges.
Dec 1, 2019 at 2:30 comment added coderanger What benefit does that provide?
Dec 1, 2019 at 2:29 comment added Cody Gray Mod Let’s just make DevOps off-topic for Stack Overflow, since it’s not actually programming anyway. Then, Server Fault retains its purpose, and Stack Overflow retains its focus.
Dec 1, 2019 at 2:28 comment added TGrif I guess DevOps questions aren't off-topic on SO, until they not fill better on SF.
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