Timeline for Upvotes on questions will now be worth the same as upvotes on answers
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Dec 12, 2019 at 14:29 | comment | added | searchengine27 | I've only asked 5 questions in the whole lifetime of using SO. Only one of my questions has ever been answered (by another person). The oldest, has been asked 4 1/2 years ago, and only 171 views, with 0 answers and even 0 comments on the question. I attribute that entirety of that to the gargantuan amount of noise this site generates with "how do I hello world?" type questions, which completely mask any questions that might have any merit, or problem that can't be solved via a Google search. We need to cut down on the poor questions and noise, whereby this change seems to be increasing it. | |
Dec 12, 2019 at 14:19 | comment | added | searchengine27 | 'Welcome Homework Overflow' I think is the best way to summarize this change. We already have this problem now - now it's just going to be worse. I will say, a lot of homework questions are from new accounts, whereby downvoting will never negatively impact them because that user will never use their account again past the one question to solve their homework. But in general, I agree with the OP - homework questions, or extremely poorly researched questions that a quick Google search could solve, should be removed, not encouraged. | |
Dec 5, 2019 at 15:01 | comment | added | Askar Kalykov | I'd still like to see SO a site where Stuart Marks and Brian Goetz have more reputation than entry-level dev with top-voted primitive question like this one stackoverflow.com/questions/309424/… | |
Nov 14, 2019 at 22:45 | comment | added | hek2mgl | ... but at the same time make it simpler for people to get what they are looking for. I'm not saying it's that simple, but that should be the main effort. .... (My comments were in response to @CodyGray's last comment) | |
Nov 14, 2019 at 22:41 | comment | added | hek2mgl | ps: I admit that SO has gone better at communicating the standards. But it needs more and more iterations, including technology etc, etc. If I had a team of developers, I could name a couple of points that could be done to improve the experience for people who asks questions, other than bumping the rep for their question. Most people who like to ask a question don't even care about rep actually (or their personal pronoun :) ), they care about the answer. I can say that from the people I've learned at work at least. From there I would say make it 0 rep :) | |
Nov 14, 2019 at 22:34 | comment | added | hek2mgl | At the end the decision makers must understand, earlier or later, that an answer is more worth than a question. And they must realize that an expert who answers someone else's question has, up to some point, the natural right to put some requirements on the standards of the question and the way it is asked. That has been the case since the early days of mankind and actually most people who ask a question will understand that. Sometimes it's just that they don't know the standard, which SO has to better communicate (since the early days) | |
Nov 14, 2019 at 20:05 | comment | added | Cody Gray Mod | It counts for something to me, @Scott, and I know it counts for something to at least some of the staff members. Does it count for something with the actual decision-makers? I don’t know. Maybe? But I get that it feels more like “maybe not”, and I get (oh, so I ever empathize!) that is very frustrating. But that’s no reason to stop speaking out, both when you’re happy and when you’re not. Importantly, it should count for something to you (where “you” is all community members). | |
Nov 14, 2019 at 20:02 | comment | added | Scott Hannen | @CodyGray - one evident meaning of "having a voice" is that you can speak. Presumably you didn't mean that, because you wouldn't need to state that you 'fundamentally believe' something so obvious. Another meaning is that what we say counts for something. But I don't think you meant that. So what does 'having a voice' mean? It's okay to admit if no one cares what we think. That's generally considered not having a voice. They probably should shut the meta site down. It would be more honest. | |
Nov 14, 2019 at 18:01 | comment | added | Isac | I only wish i could upvote this twice. I think every single point you make here is the absolute truth, including the fact that they don't care at all about the community feedback on any change. I too think this may indeed by the final nail in the coffin. | |
Nov 14, 2019 at 17:47 | comment | added | Dalija Prasnikar Mod | @CodyGray Please don't take "feedback" comments personally (I hope you didn't) we all know or at least hope so that there are some staff members that do listen to the community. It is not easy to express disappointments when on the other side is someone that is not even closely responsible. I am sorry that we are shooting the messengers in this process. | |
Nov 14, 2019 at 17:42 | comment | added | Cody Gray Mod | @Scott Umm, pretty sure the answer to that question is self-evident. The difference would look something like shutting down the Meta sites. Please don't take this as any sort of hint that is going to happen. I created this question with the express purpose of allowing community members to constructively make their points of view known, pretty much exactly as it has happened. I don't know that the feedback will have any effect, but I do know that staff members are reading it, and regardless, I think being able to make one's opposition view known has value. | |
Nov 14, 2019 at 14:43 | history | edited | Dalija PrasnikarMod | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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Nov 14, 2019 at 14:37 | comment | added | LittleBobbyTables - Au Revoir |
Reputation unlocks moderation powers - reputation gained through knowledge means moderation will be done by more knowledgeable people and that reduces potential errors. There's already enough bad reviewers in each of the queues, and the people who just blindly upvote every single question (I'm talking people with 10K+ upvotes and no downvotes) are just going to accelerate that influx now that questions are worth twice as much. Asking crappy questions and getting upvotes is easy. I for one welcome our new participation-trophy overlords.
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Nov 14, 2019 at 14:06 | comment | added | Dalija Prasnikar Mod | @MikeS159 Question is do the "How to format string in Java" type of questions deserve as much reputation as they have gained. Yes, you can more easily find answer to such questions here than in official documentation and answers on SO are often more detailed and better than documentation. But you reward answers to such questions, not the no-effort two line question. | |
Nov 14, 2019 at 13:48 | comment | added | Scott Hannen | @CodyGray - "I still fundamentally believe that the community has a voice" What does "has a voice" mean? How is it different from not having a voice? | |
Nov 14, 2019 at 13:19 | comment | added | MikeS159 | While I agree with a lot of the sentiment in this post, I've always taken issue with the last bullet point style of thinking. Up voting on 'me too' questions. While it is somewhat possible to objectively decided if a question is good or not, really that comes from consensus. If someone asks a question and gets and answer, and others find that answer by searching for similarly phrased questions, surely that makes a question good. I get that we want 'good' questions by SO standards and to encourage that to new users, but if a question helps you find a good answer, then the question is good. | |
Nov 14, 2019 at 10:09 | comment | added | Dalija Prasnikar Mod | @CodyGray If we would be able to moderate all poor content fast, then giving more reputation to questions could pass. I still think it is bad idea in any case, but OK... In current situation adding features like this while moderation is in deep sh*** is just adding insult to injury. | |
Nov 14, 2019 at 9:38 | comment | added | JeremyP | "Reputation unlocks moderation powers - reputation gained through knowledge means moderation will be done by more knowledgeable people and that reduces potential errors." This by itself is enough to convince me this is a bad move. | |
Nov 14, 2019 at 8:01 | comment | added | Ian Kemp | @CodyGray Back in the Atwood days, those unilateral decisions were actually made for the good of the site's quality, and hence we were happy for our benevolent overlords to make said decisions. Now we have decisions being imposed for "niceness", and today's overlords wonder why they are not trusted. | |
Nov 13, 2019 at 23:08 | comment | added | Cody Gray Mod | Well, yeah, feedback. I'm not running the show here, but I still fundamentally believe that the community has a voice, and as long as it's possible, I'm going to see to it that they have a reasonable way and place to express their opinions. Unilateral decisions by staff have been a fixture of this place since the Atwood days, including the original change to halve rep gains from question upvotes (announced and [status-completed] on the same day). | |
Nov 13, 2019 at 22:19 | comment | added | Kevin B | @Unihedron we don't know who that person is, only that they were not not a moderator at the time (otherwise whey would not have had access to said info) | |
Nov 13, 2019 at 22:18 | comment | added | Dalija Prasnikar Mod | @Unihedron No. This is not question asked by "less-than-ethical member". There were other questions before this one but they have been deleted. I think some are mentioned in the comments, but you need 10K on Meta in order to see them. | |
Nov 13, 2019 at 22:16 | comment | added | Unihedron | Wow, I didn't know about the Meta post. Is this the "less-than-ethical member" the OP here was talking about? Is it someone else and this is just coincidence? | |
Nov 13, 2019 at 22:12 | history | answered | Dalija PrasnikarMod | CC BY-SA 4.0 |