Timeline for Upvotes on questions will now be worth the same as upvotes on answers
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Dec 24, 2019 at 4:24 | comment | added | jpmc26 | A recent example of the problem you're describing. A question with only 96 upvotes out of 430 votes (about 22%) nets the user positive reputation. | |
Dec 15, 2019 at 2:16 | comment | added | jeffkmeng | I don't agree that downvotes should be worth the same as upvotes. If a question is objectively bad, then it won't receive any upvotes. If the community is mixed as to whether or not the question is bad (e.g. it's total upvote + downvote is zero), then the question asker deserves the benefit of the doubt that the question is good, and still does deserve to earn some reputation. | |
Dec 10, 2019 at 7:43 | comment | added | dokaspar | I still don't understand the correlation some users are suggesting: that the number of virtual points I get for a question affects the way I compose it. Like "wow, if I get a million points for my question, then let's write it with horrible quality" or what? | |
Nov 30, 2019 at 14:22 | comment | added | Andreas condemns Israel | Rewarding any question askers? Here's a question that has absolutely nothing to do with programming. It got -1 + 1 - 1 vote, and the user went from 1 reputation to 9. | |
Nov 29, 2019 at 9:48 | comment | added | Maxim Paperno | One thing I haven't seen mentioned, is that the actual number of up/down votes is a) not visible to lower-rep users, and b) not obvious to the ones who can see it. So if a question stands at zero votes, you don't actually know how many people voted either way... eg. to help close it (if bad, or is that delta votes only?) or balance it either way. And I really have no idea how some of the questions are getting any upvotes at all... it almost seems automatic that a newbie gets their question upvoted even if the first 3 comments on it are "show us an MRE". | |
Nov 27, 2019 at 18:14 | comment | added | Cody | What if we allowed users to decide on a range of what their downvote is worth? e.g., someone has a decent question but needs to put more work into it: -2 points. Someone clearly wants someone to to their homework, -10 points. | |
Nov 24, 2019 at 0:24 | comment | added | Rogue | Why not a middle-of-the-road approach, and having downvotes affect your rep (severely, 1:1) after 1k rep, but not at all before that? That way newer users can build up basic site-use features (e.g. commenting) without fear of revocation, while higher-rep users (or those wishing to be such) would need to post high-quality answers and questions that deserve upvotes more than downvotes. The privilege for casting downvotes may need to be moved to a different rep point, but other privileges look like they're reasonable for any experienced site user to have. | |
Nov 23, 2019 at 23:40 | comment | added | Birkensox | Because content is King, even substandard content. Double strength upvotes help to keep substandard questions from being automatically hidden. | |
Nov 21, 2019 at 16:29 | comment | added | Calmarius | Upvote/downvote should be a "zero cost game": downvotes should cancel all positive reputation on the site regardless of their count. So if there are 8 times more upvotes on the site than downvotes, then the ratio should be +10/-80. This means only way to ever have positive reputation is consistently making above average posts. Deleting a post should only hide and don't undo reputation and downvotes should be free to cast in unlimited numbers (as long as it doesn't trip the serial voting protection). | |
Nov 20, 2019 at 19:02 | comment | added | erickson | @cs95 It's funny how, against the current backdrop of SE's newspeak regime, even someone like Jeff Atwood can come across as an alt-right fascist threatening the punks on his lawn. | |
Nov 18, 2019 at 1:17 | comment | added | caxcaxcoatl | Using this question as an example, it has now 222 upvotes vs 551 downvotes, netting -329. Still, it would have generated 1118 points to the submitter. This a bad example, as it is on meta where people vote to agree/disagree with the change. And a question that generated such a divide and attention on non-meta is probably something interesting. Still an interesting number to consider. | |
Nov 16, 2019 at 21:32 | comment | added | java-addict301 | I disagree. The best voted questions are simply the most commonly asked questions (no matter how basic and no matter how little effort is needed to find the answer). There is nothing wrong with this (IMO) and is the reason Stackoverflow is my go-to Q&A source and is really the concept SO was founded upon. SO didn't get where it is because people asked brilliantly crafted question after first spending 28 weeks researching the issue to avoid downvotes. It got where it is because it allowed common questions to exist (regardless of quality and solution-effort). My $.02 (and opinions). | |
Nov 15, 2019 at 19:19 | comment | added | zero298 | @CodyGray Except on the Meta Stack Exchange which is where I'd like to use my downvotes to dissent the most. But hey, I guess I'll just sit at 99 there forever. | |
Nov 15, 2019 at 13:15 | comment | added | Tschallacka | if your question gets a net score of 5 or 10 positive upvotes, then all upvotes count as 10 points, because that's an indicator that you posted a good/useful question. I could get behind such a mechanic. | |
Nov 14, 2019 at 21:52 | comment | added | Cody Gray Mod | @Xrylite Reputation doesn't exist on Meta sites, which is where all the disagreement over site policies happens. Regarding doubling the reputation lost from downvotes, see this related discussion from several years ago. | |
Nov 14, 2019 at 21:43 | history | edited | wim | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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Nov 14, 2019 at 21:38 | comment | added | jpmc26 | Even with the downvote penalty doubled, this change still benefits the asker. An upvote/downvote pair used to net the asker 3 reputation. Even with your change, it would net them 6. (That's better than netting them 8, of course, but still a change for the worse.) | |
Nov 14, 2019 at 20:59 | comment | added | Xrylite | There are so many diamond posts lately that people downvote and disagree with. Doubling the downvote rep loss would make look worse than they already do. With that in mind, I agree that it should be doubled. | |
Nov 14, 2019 at 15:54 | comment | added | TylerH | @CodyGray Questions are how we organize content here; content doesn't show up on threads based on answer score; we have /questions; we don't have /answers. If you want to see answers, you have to filter by them explicitly in search, and even then you don't have any value or context from the answer until you read the question. | |
Nov 14, 2019 at 10:58 | comment | added | user4864425 | I agree with @DenysSéguret, questions shouldn't impact reputation at all. Or at least not be valued as answers as this is comparing apples with pears. IMO there should be seperate counts, one for questions (if at all) and one for answers. Apart from that, the privileges system is problematic as well as it is coupled to reputation. It's about perception which makes it seem unfair. IMO privileges shouldn't be awarded based on reputation but rather earned based on participation and other factors. Leaving reputation for it's original purpose, to underline the quality of the answer / question. | |
Nov 14, 2019 at 9:40 | comment | added | Denys Séguret | The perceived impact on reputation goes in the way of asking questions IMO. And a downvote when asking, especially if it looks like it hurts the small rep you have at beginning, can be very painful. Maybe questions should not impact reputation at all. | |
Nov 14, 2019 at 8:50 | comment | added | gerrit | Here is Jeff Atwoods take on increasing the weight of downvotes. Quote: Downvotes were always essentially cosmetic, with an extremely minor effect on reputation. Despite this, received downvotes are taken quite seriously by users. Almost too seriously.. Indeed, it seems that even if -4/+1 still has a positive reputation effect, it still upsets question askers. Garbage should be closed. | |
Nov 14, 2019 at 7:59 | comment | added | Piro | This is "by design" result of "be welcoming" policy. So do not expect change. | |
Nov 13, 2019 at 21:08 | comment | added | Cindy Meister | @JoeW If it's a low-traffic tag, probably won't even get closed (at least, not if the 3 votes to close policy isn't re-instated), to say nothing of deleted in a timely manner... | |
Nov 13, 2019 at 21:04 | comment | added | Joe W | isn't it likely that questions that get a downvote:upvote ratio of 4:1 will be deleted and have any reputation removed anyway? | |
Nov 13, 2019 at 20:44 | history | edited | Peter Mortensen | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
Active reading. [<http://stackoverflow.com/legal/trademark-guidance> (the last section)].
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Nov 13, 2019 at 20:25 | comment | added | DavidW | I suspect that question bans are based on upvote/downvote ratio rather than reputation, and that they're more important for keeping askers of bad questions away than reputation. | |
Nov 13, 2019 at 20:17 | history | edited | cs95 | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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Nov 13, 2019 at 20:10 | comment | added | John Montgomery | I agree with your overall premise, but if a question gets downvoted 9 times and upvoted once, wouldn't that still put them at a net -8 rep? | |
Nov 13, 2019 at 20:08 | history | edited | wim | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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Nov 13, 2019 at 20:08 | comment | added | Mysticial | I'm not entirely convinced that upping the Q-upvote rep will cause more poor questions. My impression is that vampires want to be spoon-fed. They don't care about rep. If someone is posting a question with the intention to farm rep, they're probably invested enough into the site to be less likely to post crap. | |
Nov 13, 2019 at 20:07 | history | edited | wim | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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Nov 13, 2019 at 20:02 | comment | added | cs95 | Looks like we're optimizing for sand again | |
Nov 13, 2019 at 20:02 | comment | added | wim | @CodyGray To be honest, no, it doesn't make sense to me. If it was my decision to make, the rep cost would be symmetric -10/+10 for both questions and answers. | |
Nov 13, 2019 at 20:01 | comment | added | Isac | I also feel we'll be seeing a lot more "poor questions" out there. With this change you only need 1 upvote to balance 4 downvotes. After all you only need to get very few upvotes to make a poor question worthwhile. | |
Nov 13, 2019 at 20:01 | comment | added | Cody Gray Mod | Note that the rep cost for having your answer downvoted is still far less than the rep gained from having your answer upvoted. Does that policy make sense to you? And, if so, why should questions be any different? | |
Nov 13, 2019 at 19:57 | history | answered | wim | CC BY-SA 4.0 |