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This answer opened my eyes.

What if part of the disparity is because men are socially more inclined to deceive themselves, imagining that they're better at developing software than they are? Or more likely to try to elevate themselves in the eyes of others? Or both?

Picture two novice developers, one male, one female. Neither knows what they're doing yet, but the male is convinced that he's a genius. The female believes him and measures herself as deficient because she's no more able to measure skill than he is. Quite likely others believe him as well, which reinforces everything. It reinforces his estimate of his skill, her perception of deficiency, and the overall male developer stereotype. Is that plausible?

It fits with a few other considerations:

  • It's social, not biological. Most of us consider it unlikely that the gender disparity is caused by biological differences.
  • Most men claim that they don't believe that women are inferior developers. Just the opposite - they scratch their heads and wonder why there aren't more women. This idea points to something other than some deliberate intent to reinforce a stereotype or keep women out. It's a more subtle difference in thinking and behavior.

It goes along with the idea of the expert beginner which proposes that much of software is dominated by people who are great at convincing themselves and others that they're highly skilled. The industry rewards it. The problem is that the industry has difficulty measuring skill, particularly at the entry level, and accepts overconfidence and self-deception as indicators of ability.

I'm a man, but I've been affected by such behavior. When I started out I was determined that I didn't want to fake it. I wanted to be good at it. And that slowed me down because I was surrounded by people who portrayed themselves as highly skilled, while in retrospect I can see that they weren't. (Oddly they were unable to describe any habits or practices that others should follow.) Management validated whatever they believed about themselves.

I don't see this so much as an answer as a direction to consider. Software development is a weird mix of skill, curiosity, and commitment to improvement. We struggle with linking cause and effect because effects are deferred. It's fertile ground for self-deception, imposter syndrome, and expert-beginnerism.

Perhaps we need to look more closely at those factors and educate developers on them right from the start. We also need to look more closely at what behaviors we encourage and reward. That's a larger industry problem, but now I see where it might reward social behaviors more common to men.

Call it a hypothesis, although the validation or invalidation will be anecdotal. I'd love to hear feedback.


As for a direct answer to the question - what can Stack Overflow (or anyone) do about it?

The answer is to share information that will help rather than emphasizing the disparity. Overemphasizing the disparity - even in an attempt to reduce it - reinforces stereotypes. It advertises to the world that most developers are men.

Instead, focus on what helps. Teach new developers about expert-beginnerism and Dunning-KrugerDunning-Kruger. Teach them that the uncertainty they feel is normal and common, and not to believe andan overconfident developer's self hype. As an industry learn how to better evaluate skill instead of rewarding people for overestimating themselves and penalizing realistic self-appraisal and modesty.

I don't know whether SO is the platform for it. Make room for it if you can. If not, talk about it elsewhere. Also, I understand why some women conceal their gender, but if you're a woman then perhaps identifying that might help. That's very personal, but it's a thought.

This answer opened my eyes.

What if part of the disparity is because men are socially more inclined to deceive themselves, imagining that they're better at developing software than they are? Or more likely to try to elevate themselves in the eyes of others? Or both?

Picture two novice developers, one male, one female. Neither knows what they're doing yet, but the male is convinced that he's a genius. The female believes him and measures herself as deficient because she's no more able to measure skill than he is. Quite likely others believe him as well, which reinforces everything. It reinforces his estimate of his skill, her perception of deficiency, and the overall male developer stereotype. Is that plausible?

It fits with a few other considerations:

  • It's social, not biological. Most of us consider it unlikely that the gender disparity is caused by biological differences.
  • Most men claim that they don't believe that women are inferior developers. Just the opposite - they scratch their heads and wonder why there aren't more women. This idea points to something other than some deliberate intent to reinforce a stereotype or keep women out. It's a more subtle difference in thinking and behavior.

It goes along with the idea of the expert beginner which proposes that much of software is dominated by people who are great at convincing themselves and others that they're highly skilled. The industry rewards it. The problem is that the industry has difficulty measuring skill, particularly at the entry level, and accepts overconfidence and self-deception as indicators of ability.

I'm a man, but I've been affected by such behavior. When I started out I was determined that I didn't want to fake it. I wanted to be good at it. And that slowed me down because I was surrounded by people who portrayed themselves as highly skilled, while in retrospect I can see that they weren't. (Oddly they were unable to describe any habits or practices that others should follow.) Management validated whatever they believed about themselves.

I don't see this so much as an answer as a direction to consider. Software development is a weird mix of skill, curiosity, and commitment to improvement. We struggle with linking cause and effect because effects are deferred. It's fertile ground for self-deception, imposter syndrome, and expert-beginnerism.

Perhaps we need to look more closely at those factors and educate developers on them right from the start. We also need to look more closely at what behaviors we encourage and reward. That's a larger industry problem, but now I see where it might reward social behaviors more common to men.

Call it a hypothesis, although the validation or invalidation will be anecdotal. I'd love to hear feedback.


As for a direct answer to the question - what can Stack Overflow (or anyone) do about it?

The answer is to share information that will help rather than emphasizing the disparity. Overemphasizing the disparity - even in an attempt to reduce it - reinforces stereotypes. It advertises to the world that most developers are men.

Instead, focus on what helps. Teach new developers about expert-beginnerism and Dunning-Kruger. Teach them that the uncertainty they feel is normal and common, and not to believe and overconfident developer's self hype. As an industry learn how to better evaluate skill instead of rewarding people for overestimating themselves and penalizing realistic self-appraisal and modesty.

I don't know whether SO is the platform for it. Make room for it if you can. If not, talk about it elsewhere. Also, I understand why some women conceal their gender, but if you're a woman then perhaps identifying that might help. That's very personal, but it's a thought.

This answer opened my eyes.

What if part of the disparity is because men are socially more inclined to deceive themselves, imagining that they're better at developing software than they are? Or more likely to try to elevate themselves in the eyes of others? Or both?

Picture two novice developers, one male, one female. Neither knows what they're doing yet, but the male is convinced that he's a genius. The female believes him and measures herself as deficient because she's no more able to measure skill than he is. Quite likely others believe him as well, which reinforces everything. It reinforces his estimate of his skill, her perception of deficiency, and the overall male developer stereotype. Is that plausible?

It fits with a few other considerations:

  • It's social, not biological. Most of us consider it unlikely that the gender disparity is caused by biological differences.
  • Most men claim that they don't believe that women are inferior developers. Just the opposite - they scratch their heads and wonder why there aren't more women. This idea points to something other than some deliberate intent to reinforce a stereotype or keep women out. It's a more subtle difference in thinking and behavior.

It goes along with the idea of the expert beginner which proposes that much of software is dominated by people who are great at convincing themselves and others that they're highly skilled. The industry rewards it. The problem is that the industry has difficulty measuring skill, particularly at the entry level, and accepts overconfidence and self-deception as indicators of ability.

I'm a man, but I've been affected by such behavior. When I started out I was determined that I didn't want to fake it. I wanted to be good at it. And that slowed me down because I was surrounded by people who portrayed themselves as highly skilled, while in retrospect I can see that they weren't. (Oddly they were unable to describe any habits or practices that others should follow.) Management validated whatever they believed about themselves.

I don't see this so much as an answer as a direction to consider. Software development is a weird mix of skill, curiosity, and commitment to improvement. We struggle with linking cause and effect because effects are deferred. It's fertile ground for self-deception, imposter syndrome, and expert-beginnerism.

Perhaps we need to look more closely at those factors and educate developers on them right from the start. We also need to look more closely at what behaviors we encourage and reward. That's a larger industry problem, but now I see where it might reward social behaviors more common to men.

Call it a hypothesis, although the validation or invalidation will be anecdotal. I'd love to hear feedback.


As for a direct answer to the question - what can Stack Overflow (or anyone) do about it?

The answer is to share information that will help rather than emphasizing the disparity. Overemphasizing the disparity - even in an attempt to reduce it - reinforces stereotypes. It advertises to the world that most developers are men.

Instead, focus on what helps. Teach new developers about expert-beginnerism and Dunning-Kruger. Teach them that the uncertainty they feel is normal and common, and not to believe an overconfident developer's self hype. As an industry learn how to better evaluate skill instead of rewarding people for overestimating themselves and penalizing realistic self-appraisal and modesty.

I don't know whether SO is the platform for it. Make room for it if you can. If not, talk about it elsewhere. Also, I understand why some women conceal their gender, but if you're a woman then perhaps identifying that might help. That's very personal, but it's a thought.

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This answer opened my eyes.

What if part of the disparity is because men are socially more inclined to deceive themselves, imagining that they're better at developing software than they are? Or more likely to try to elevate themselves in the eyes of others? Or both?

Picture two novice developers, one male, one female. Neither knows what they're doing yet, but the male is convinced that he's a genius. The female believes him and measures herself as deficient because she's no more able to measure skill than he is. Quite likely others believe him as well, which reinforces everything. It reinforces his estimate of his skill, her perception of deficiency, and the overall male developer stereotype. Is that plausible?

It fits with a few other considerations:

  • It's social, not biological. Most of us consider it unlikely that the gender disparity is caused by biological differences.
  • Most men claim that they don't believe that women are inferior developers. Just the opposite - they scratch their heads and wonder why there aren't more women. This idea points to something other than some deliberate intent to reinforce a stereotype or keep women out. It's a more subtle difference in thinking and behavior.

It goes along with the idea of the expert beginner which proposes that much of software is dominated by people who are great at convincing themselves and others that they're highly skilled. The industry rewards it. The problem is that the industry has difficulty measuring skill, particularly at the entry level, and accepts overconfidence and self-deception as indicators of ability.

I'm a man, but I've been affected by such behavior. When I started out I was determined that I didn't want to fake it. I wanted to be good at it. And that slowed me down because I was surrounded by people who portrayed themselves as highly skilled, while in retrospect I can see that they weren't. (Oddly they were unable to describe any habits or practices that others should follow.) Management validated whatever they believed about themselves.

I don't see this so much as an answer as a direction to consider. Software development is a weird mix of skill, curiosity, and commitment to improvement. We struggle with linking cause and effect because effects are deferred. It's fertile ground for self-deception, imposter syndrome, and expert-beginnerism.

Perhaps we need to look more closely at those factors and educate developers on them right from the start. We also need to look more closely at what behaviors we encourage and reward. That's a larger industry problem, but now I see where it might reward social behaviors more common to men.

Call it a hypothesis, although the validation or invalidation will be anecdotal. I'd love to hear feedback.


As for a direct answer to the question - what can Stack Overflow (or anyone) do about it?

The answer is to share information that will help rather than emphasizing the disparity. Overemphasizing the disparity - even in an attempt to reduce it - reinforces stereotypes. It advertises to the world that most developers are men.

Instead, focus on what helps. Teach new developers about expert-beginnerism and Dunning-Kruger. Teach them that the uncertainty they feel is normal and common, and not to believe and overconfident developer's self hype. As an industry learn how to better evaluate skill instead of rewarding people for overestimating themselves and penalizing realistic self-appraisal and modesty.

I don't know whether SO is the platform for it. Make room for it if you can. If not, talk about it elsewhere. Also, I understand why some women conceal their gender, but if you're a woman then perhaps identifying that might help. That's very personal, but it's a thought.

This answer opened my eyes.

What if part of the disparity is because men are socially more inclined to deceive themselves, imagining that they're better at developing software than they are? Or more likely to try to elevate themselves in the eyes of others? Or both?

Picture two novice developers, one male, one female. Neither knows what they're doing yet, but the male is convinced that he's a genius. The female believes him and measures herself as deficient because she's no more able to measure skill than he is. Quite likely others believe him as well, which reinforces everything. It reinforces his estimate of his skill, her perception of deficiency, and the overall male developer stereotype. Is that plausible?

It fits with a few other considerations:

  • It's social, not biological. Most of us consider it unlikely that the gender disparity is caused by biological differences.
  • Most men claim that they don't believe that women are inferior developers. Just the opposite - they scratch their heads and wonder why there aren't more women. This idea points to something other than some deliberate intent to reinforce a stereotype or keep women out. It's a more subtle difference in thinking and behavior.

It goes along with the idea of the expert beginner which proposes that much of software is dominated by people who are great at convincing themselves and others that they're highly skilled. The industry rewards it. The problem is that the industry has difficulty measuring skill, particularly at the entry level, and accepts overconfidence and self-deception as indicators of ability.

I'm a man, but I've been affected by such behavior. When I started out I was determined that I didn't want to fake it. I wanted to be good at it. And that slowed me down because I was surrounded by people who portrayed themselves as highly skilled, while in retrospect I can see that they weren't. (Oddly they were unable to describe any habits or practices that others should follow.) Management validated whatever they believed about themselves.

I don't see this so much as an answer as a direction to consider. Software development is a weird mix of skill, curiosity, and commitment to improvement. We struggle with linking cause and effect because effects are deferred. It's fertile ground for self-deception, imposter syndrome, and expert-beginnerism.

Perhaps we need to look more closely at those factors and educate developers on them right from the start. We also need to look more closely at what behaviors we encourage and reward. That's a larger industry problem, but now I see where it might reward social behaviors more common to men.

Call it a hypothesis, although the validation or invalidation will be anecdotal. I'd love to hear feedback.

This answer opened my eyes.

What if part of the disparity is because men are socially more inclined to deceive themselves, imagining that they're better at developing software than they are? Or more likely to try to elevate themselves in the eyes of others? Or both?

Picture two novice developers, one male, one female. Neither knows what they're doing yet, but the male is convinced that he's a genius. The female believes him and measures herself as deficient because she's no more able to measure skill than he is. Quite likely others believe him as well, which reinforces everything. It reinforces his estimate of his skill, her perception of deficiency, and the overall male developer stereotype. Is that plausible?

It fits with a few other considerations:

  • It's social, not biological. Most of us consider it unlikely that the gender disparity is caused by biological differences.
  • Most men claim that they don't believe that women are inferior developers. Just the opposite - they scratch their heads and wonder why there aren't more women. This idea points to something other than some deliberate intent to reinforce a stereotype or keep women out. It's a more subtle difference in thinking and behavior.

It goes along with the idea of the expert beginner which proposes that much of software is dominated by people who are great at convincing themselves and others that they're highly skilled. The industry rewards it. The problem is that the industry has difficulty measuring skill, particularly at the entry level, and accepts overconfidence and self-deception as indicators of ability.

I'm a man, but I've been affected by such behavior. When I started out I was determined that I didn't want to fake it. I wanted to be good at it. And that slowed me down because I was surrounded by people who portrayed themselves as highly skilled, while in retrospect I can see that they weren't. (Oddly they were unable to describe any habits or practices that others should follow.) Management validated whatever they believed about themselves.

I don't see this so much as an answer as a direction to consider. Software development is a weird mix of skill, curiosity, and commitment to improvement. We struggle with linking cause and effect because effects are deferred. It's fertile ground for self-deception, imposter syndrome, and expert-beginnerism.

Perhaps we need to look more closely at those factors and educate developers on them right from the start. We also need to look more closely at what behaviors we encourage and reward. That's a larger industry problem, but now I see where it might reward social behaviors more common to men.

Call it a hypothesis, although the validation or invalidation will be anecdotal. I'd love to hear feedback.


As for a direct answer to the question - what can Stack Overflow (or anyone) do about it?

The answer is to share information that will help rather than emphasizing the disparity. Overemphasizing the disparity - even in an attempt to reduce it - reinforces stereotypes. It advertises to the world that most developers are men.

Instead, focus on what helps. Teach new developers about expert-beginnerism and Dunning-Kruger. Teach them that the uncertainty they feel is normal and common, and not to believe and overconfident developer's self hype. As an industry learn how to better evaluate skill instead of rewarding people for overestimating themselves and penalizing realistic self-appraisal and modesty.

I don't know whether SO is the platform for it. Make room for it if you can. If not, talk about it elsewhere. Also, I understand why some women conceal their gender, but if you're a woman then perhaps identifying that might help. That's very personal, but it's a thought.

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This answer opened my eyes.

What if part of the disparity is because men are socially more inclined to deceive themselves, imagining that they're better at developing software than they are? Or more likely to try to elevate themselves in the eyes of others? Or both?

Picture two novice developers, one male, one female. Neither knows what they're doing yet, but the male is convinced that he's a genius. The female believes him and measures herself as deficient because she's no more able to measure skill than he is. Quite likely others believe him as well, which reinforces everything. It reinforces his estimate of his skill, her perception of deficiency, and the overall male developer stereotype. Is that plausible?

It fits with a few other considerations:

  • It's social, not biological. Most of us consider it unlikely that the gender disparity is caused by biological differences.
  • Most men claim that they don't believe that women are inferior developers. Just the opposite - they scratch their heads and wonder why there aren't more women. This idea points to something other than some deliberate intent to reinforce a stereotype or keep women out. It's a more subtle difference in thinking and behavior.

It goes along with the idea of the expert beginner which proposes that much of software is dominated by people who are great at convincing themselves and others that they're highly skilled. The industry rewards it. The problem is that the industry has difficulty measuring skill, particularly at the entry level, and accepts overconfidence and self-deception as indicators of ability.

I'm a man, but I've been affected by such behavior. When I started out I was determined that I didn't want to fake it. I wanted to be good at it. And that slowed me down because I was surrounded by people who portrayed themselves as highly skilled, while in retrospect I can see that they weren't. (Oddly they were unable to describe any habits or practices that others should follow.) Management validated whatever they believed about themselves.

I don't see this so much as an answer as a direction to consider. Software development is a weird mix of skill, curiosity, and commitment to improvement. We struggle with linking cause and effect because effects are deferred. It's fertile ground for self-deception, imposter syndrome, and expert-beginnerism.

Perhaps we need to look more closely at those factors and educate developers on them right from the start. We also need to look more closely at what behaviors we encourage and reward. That's a larger industry problem, but now I see where it might reward social behaviors more common to men.

Call it a hypothesis, although the validation or invalidation will be anecdotal. I'd love to hear feedback.

This answer opened my eyes.

What if part of the disparity is because men are socially more inclined to deceive themselves, imagining that they're better at developing software than they are? Or more likely to try to elevate themselves in the eyes of others? Or both?

Picture two novice developers, one male, one female. Neither knows what they're doing yet, but the male is convinced that he's a genius. The female believes him and measures herself as deficient because she's no more able to measure skill than he is. Quite likely others believe him as well, which reinforces everything. It reinforces his estimate of his skill, her perception of deficiency, and the overall male developer stereotype. Is that plausible?

It goes along with the idea of the expert beginner which proposes that much of software is dominated by people who are great at convincing themselves and others that they're highly skilled. The industry rewards it.

I'm a man, but I've been affected by such behavior. When I started out I was determined that I didn't want to fake it. I wanted to be good at it. And that slowed me down because I was surrounded by people who portrayed themselves as highly skilled, while in retrospect I can see that they weren't. (Oddly they were unable to describe any habits or practices that others should follow.) Management validated whatever they believed about themselves.

I don't see this so much as an answer as a direction to consider. Software development is a weird mix of skill, curiosity, and commitment to improvement. We struggle with linking cause and effect because effects are deferred. It's fertile ground for self-deception, imposter syndrome, and expert-beginnerism.

Perhaps we need to look more closely at those factors and educate developers on them right from the start. We also need to look more closely at what behaviors we encourage and reward. That's a larger industry problem, but now I see where it might reward social behaviors more common to men.

Call it a hypothesis, although the validation or invalidation will be anecdotal. I'd love to hear feedback.

This answer opened my eyes.

What if part of the disparity is because men are socially more inclined to deceive themselves, imagining that they're better at developing software than they are? Or more likely to try to elevate themselves in the eyes of others? Or both?

Picture two novice developers, one male, one female. Neither knows what they're doing yet, but the male is convinced that he's a genius. The female believes him and measures herself as deficient because she's no more able to measure skill than he is. Quite likely others believe him as well, which reinforces everything. It reinforces his estimate of his skill, her perception of deficiency, and the overall male developer stereotype. Is that plausible?

It fits with a few other considerations:

  • It's social, not biological. Most of us consider it unlikely that the gender disparity is caused by biological differences.
  • Most men claim that they don't believe that women are inferior developers. Just the opposite - they scratch their heads and wonder why there aren't more women. This idea points to something other than some deliberate intent to reinforce a stereotype or keep women out. It's a more subtle difference in thinking and behavior.

It goes along with the idea of the expert beginner which proposes that much of software is dominated by people who are great at convincing themselves and others that they're highly skilled. The industry rewards it. The problem is that the industry has difficulty measuring skill, particularly at the entry level, and accepts overconfidence and self-deception as indicators of ability.

I'm a man, but I've been affected by such behavior. When I started out I was determined that I didn't want to fake it. I wanted to be good at it. And that slowed me down because I was surrounded by people who portrayed themselves as highly skilled, while in retrospect I can see that they weren't. (Oddly they were unable to describe any habits or practices that others should follow.) Management validated whatever they believed about themselves.

I don't see this so much as an answer as a direction to consider. Software development is a weird mix of skill, curiosity, and commitment to improvement. We struggle with linking cause and effect because effects are deferred. It's fertile ground for self-deception, imposter syndrome, and expert-beginnerism.

Perhaps we need to look more closely at those factors and educate developers on them right from the start. We also need to look more closely at what behaviors we encourage and reward. That's a larger industry problem, but now I see where it might reward social behaviors more common to men.

Call it a hypothesis, although the validation or invalidation will be anecdotal. I'd love to hear feedback.

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