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Dec 10, 2019 at 21:57 comment added TylerH @mario Yes, see the MSE announcement on the post notices (going out network-wide, not just to SO) for more info on that. According to the company, "on hold" was confusing to users, so they're just now going with "closed" everywhere (though questions still get put in the reopen queue after the 1st edit for 5 days following closure)
Dec 10, 2019 at 21:54 comment added mario So, is the "on hold" phrasing gone now as well? Did it not encourage measurable question editing?
Nov 30, 2019 at 0:01 history edited CommunityBot
Nov 26, 2019 at 19:28 answer added user9144436 timeline score: -11
Nov 22, 2019 at 7:02 comment added Dexygen I've been in both groups and am now seeing the old reasons which IMO are just fine. In fact, let's bring back "too localized" and that other one that was something like, get a rudimentary understanding before you post.
Nov 21, 2019 at 21:33 comment added Ňɏssa Pøngjǣrdenlarp The canned text for the first dupe close vote offends me. Does this answer your question? invites the poster to specifically engage me in some sort of back and forth including pleas for how I dont understand how their problem is completely different from any which has come before... Not only are comment not the place for long conversations, the whole point of Dupe Closes is to close down pointless repetition
Nov 20, 2019 at 11:05 answer added Peter Cordes timeline score: 11
Nov 14, 2019 at 16:38 answer added Criticizing Israel not allowed timeline score: 13
Nov 12, 2019 at 9:35 comment added Neil Lunn @YaakovEllis Granted the 50% remark is indeed there. The intent however I am not completely assured of. If you mean ...with the goal of making them more friendly and results-driven." Then I would believe the commentary has indeed shown that those two goals seem to be largely in conflict. To be frank, I am personally concerned that SE in general is spending too much time on being welcoming to new users, when the main body of new users are in fact not new at all, and are indeed abusers of the system and the main cause of many problems. The community can spot "new users" and be welcoming.
Nov 11, 2019 at 19:59 comment added Yaakov Ellis StaffMod @NeilLunn the MSE post specifically made mention that 50% of users would see the new and 50% would see the old. It has been discussed a whole bunch in comments. A/B grouping is based on IP address - some (though still a vast minority) users have been in both groups, we are taking it into account in our analysis. The intent has also been discussed in the MSE post and the blog post linked from there. Thanks for your feedback.
Nov 11, 2019 at 9:28 comment added Neil Lunn @Makyen Thanks, that at least clarifies the difference. I did not see any reference to A/B testing in either this post or on SE meta ( aside from African vs European swallows that is ). For the record, I've clearly been in both groups and much like the general sentiment here records, whilst I see "some" benificial improvements, on the whole the changes are a big miss and could do with a lot more consultation with the community. Most things are really fine as they are, and it really is not clear what the full intent of the "changes" really is. Perhaps someone should explain intent in a post
Nov 10, 2019 at 18:12 comment added Makyen Mod @NeilLunn This is currently in A/B testing. Thus, some users will see the new post notices, while others will see the old ones. It's been stated, or at least identified by others, that which A/B group you are in is not tied to your account (i.e. multiple people have reported having which they see change). I haven't seen anything definitive as to what it's tied to. There are only a few different ways which the group could be recorded, so if someone was interested it could be determined. That's assuming we don't get an official statement as to what's being used.
Nov 10, 2019 at 9:45 comment added Neil Lunn Since this decision appears to have been repealed ( or at least it seems so for me, since all I see now are the old close reasons restored, and the old formatting ), will there be a follow up post explaining this? Notably this post is still marked as "featured", but for me at least all the changes appear to be gone now. Probably could do with an explanation.
Nov 7, 2019 at 12:07 comment added Nick @Mukyuu interesting - I switched once and have been stuck on the old ones since.
Nov 7, 2019 at 9:44 comment added Mukyuu @Nick Yeah me too, been several times switching back and forth. It's good anyway to be able to check both sides of change.
Nov 5, 2019 at 16:46 answer added Alex timeline score: 4
Nov 5, 2019 at 9:26 comment added AGuyCalledGerald Funnily enough, I proposed this idea on meta a few weeks ago and it got downvoted multiple times - had a score of -11 or so :)
Nov 2, 2019 at 13:17 answer added Sumurai8 timeline score: 10
Nov 1, 2019 at 19:10 comment added Caius Jard Well I suppose at least one developer on every team has to represent the minority! "Comprehensive testing boss! No point in all the devs using the same browser"
Nov 1, 2019 at 18:42 comment added Visual Vincent @CaiusJard : Call me crazy but I mostly use IE 11. So I don't, infact, remember that. :)
Nov 1, 2019 at 18:40 comment added Visual Vincent @CaiusJard : Perhaps, but in general I think yellow is a more suitable color for these kind of things as it and red are commonly used when signaling that something requires your (for red, immediate) attention. I think the blue's fine for for instance duplicate questions and such, though. Also, in Sweden all our speed limit signs are red and yellow, so I guess I am a bit biased for that reason as well.
Nov 1, 2019 at 14:25 answer added Cerbrus timeline score: 33
Oct 31, 2019 at 9:35 comment added Dalija Prasnikar Mod @Trilarion Unless you have eyesight issues... Yellow was better, blue is bad, bad, bad color... and contrast is reduced as well, fonts are smaller...
Oct 31, 2019 at 3:15 answer added Joseph Sible-Reinstate Monica timeline score: 13
Oct 30, 2019 at 22:09 comment added NoDataDumpNoContribution @YaakovEllis "..the blue background is here.." But I wanted rose instead. Okay, just kidding. As long as the message is clear, the color is only a minor thing I guess.
Oct 30, 2019 at 20:48 comment added Tim Lewis @CaiusJard Totally agree on that point, was mainly asking who the content of the notice was for. Mainly the "Learn more". Suppose I should have said "able to recognize why an answer was deleted".
Oct 30, 2019 at 20:48 comment added Caius Jard @VisualVincent that's because you've developed a learned association for the original color yellow, and now the blue (the complementary color) looks odd. If SO had used blue from the start then yellow would look odd.. Remember when google chrome switched from faint yellow to faint blue for autocomplete fields, and it was "wtf?" .. and now it's normal..
Oct 30, 2019 at 20:46 comment added Caius Jard @TimLewis the faint pink of a deleted answer is a lot harder to see (looks nearly white) in certain angles/in bright sun, on my laptop screen, than the new banner; I appreciate the new banner
Oct 30, 2019 at 17:19 answer added Unihedron timeline score: 18
Oct 30, 2019 at 16:01 answer added BugFinder timeline score: -8
Oct 30, 2019 at 13:17 answer added Erik A timeline score: 35
Oct 30, 2019 at 11:19 answer added Lightness Races in Orbit timeline score: 70
Oct 30, 2019 at 7:32 comment added Nick I was seeing the new format this morning (Adelaide (+0930) time), but now I'm not. How did I switch from one 50% to the other?
Oct 30, 2019 at 5:53 comment added deceze Mod Fantastic! I may finally be able to close this: meta.stackoverflow.com/q/267318/476
Oct 30, 2019 at 0:09 history edited Cody GrayMod CC BY-SA 4.0
added 125 characters in body; edited title
Oct 29, 2019 at 22:51 answer added Bergi timeline score: 27
Oct 29, 2019 at 17:52 comment added Visual Vincent In addition to what @JohnMontgomery said, the blue color itself gives me the impression that it just represents a [temporary] notice, like "Due to a power outage you may experience some issues ..." or "This post is locked to prevent further editing" or even "This is a duplicate of ...". In my opinion, for questions that are put on hold it should be some variant of yellow so that it kind of calls out to tell you that an action is required!
Oct 29, 2019 at 17:19 comment added John Montgomery How "here to stay" is the blue background? Personally I find it a lot harder to read, at least with that font color.
Oct 29, 2019 at 17:02 comment added Mark Amery Instructions here are to leave feedback on the MSE post, but many of the changes here are SO-specific (since they're to SO's close reasons). I've left answers about those here, since it seemed like the only useful thing to do.
Oct 29, 2019 at 16:55 answer added Mark Amery timeline score: 74
Oct 29, 2019 at 16:47 answer added Mark Amery timeline score: 58
Oct 29, 2019 at 16:36 answer added Barmar timeline score: 21
Oct 29, 2019 at 16:33 history edited Peter Mortensen CC BY-SA 4.0
Active reading.
Oct 29, 2019 at 16:18 comment added Adrian Mole @ThomasSchremser Thanks! I (probably) would have figured it out eventually, but it's nice to have willing educators around. Actually, it seems like most of the options are just renamed equivalents - just have to get used to them again.
Oct 29, 2019 at 16:16 comment added Bill Tür stands with Ukraine @Adrian "Too Broad" was replaced by "Needs more focus"
Oct 29, 2019 at 14:57 answer added ImportanceOfBeingErnest timeline score: 373
Oct 29, 2019 at 14:16 answer added Drag and Drop timeline score: 2
Oct 29, 2019 at 14:15 comment added Tim Lewis @YaakovEllis Sorry, I wasn't stating that it was an issue; just that I mistook it for a screenshot instead of a notice. And yeah, that's fine, will get some getting used to for sure.
Oct 29, 2019 at 14:15 comment added Adrian Mole Presumably, this 50:50 release in being synchronized with the new dialog boxes for flags and close votes? I'm seeing these - my first issue (almost an objection) is that the "Too Broad" option seems to have been removed. Any particular reason for that?
Oct 29, 2019 at 14:14 comment added Yaakov Ellis StaffMod @TimLewis can you please leave an answer with a link to the question and/or screen shot. Hard to work on it just through your description here. However, the blue background is here to stay. Will take a little bit of getting used to, but hopefully will work for everyone.
Oct 29, 2019 at 14:13 comment added Tim Lewis I just saw a closed question with the new notice; totally thought it was a screenshot of their issue (image of their rendered HTML or similar) until I actually read it. I think the blue background is a little jarring compared to the original closed post notice. Also, who is the "This post is hidden [...] Learn more." notice on deleted answers for? 10K users should be able to recognize a deleted question/answer.
Oct 29, 2019 at 13:22 comment added Antti Haapala -- Слава Україні @DragandDrop I believe top is the place where these should be! so that they would be immediately obvious to the reader.
Oct 29, 2019 at 13:03 answer added MachavityMod timeline score: 82
Oct 29, 2019 at 12:55 comment added Yaakov Ellis StaffMod @DragandDrop Thanks for the suggestion. For the time being, the new notices are going to all be above the question (old notices were inconsistent, some above and some below).
Oct 29, 2019 at 12:53 comment added Drag and Drop From Yellow at the bottom to blue at the top. Great! But may we have it at the bottom. When I dive in poor question, I would love to have the notice near the flag. So I dont have to scroll up. Or blame caching for not having enought choice in the Flag option.
Oct 29, 2019 at 12:49 history edited Gimby CC BY-SA 4.0
Fixed the unclosed brace which was causing the parsers of readers to reject that line, causing questions to appear in the comments anyway.
Oct 29, 2019 at 12:43 history edited AndyMod
edited tags
Oct 29, 2019 at 12:43 history edited Yaakov EllisStaffMod CC BY-SA 4.0
gave a broader definition for post notices
Oct 29, 2019 at 12:40 history edited MachavityMod CC BY-SA 4.0
Most people will not know what a "Post Notice" is
Oct 29, 2019 at 12:30 comment added Yaakov Ellis StaffMod The actual root reasons have not changed, but the labels and descriptions have all been adjusted
Oct 29, 2019 at 12:30 comment added Machavity Mod Were the off-topic close reasons supposed to change as well, or is that a separate action from this?
Oct 29, 2019 at 12:23 history edited gnat
edited tags
Oct 29, 2019 at 12:15 history asked Yaakov EllisStaffMod CC BY-SA 4.0