Timeline for Please stop redirecting performance problems to Code Review
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Aug 27, 2019 at 7:08 | answer | added | Lundin | timeline score: 9 | |
Aug 27, 2019 at 0:12 | comment | added | Alexei Levenkov | @maaartinus I see - sounds java+perf has this problem while c#+perf does not... Maybe as alternative suggestion have usual regex-based warning for "comment contains CR|codereview and not {link to CR migration FAQ}"? That may be easier to implement and more likely actually have impact on those who comment... | |
Aug 26, 2019 at 23:41 | comment | added | maaartinus |
@AlexeiLevenkov I may be wrong, but I read pretty all [java] [performance] questions and the CR nonsense comes again and again. It's not only about closing a question, but it's also about spamming a (smaller) site. In the end, there are two closed question, no answer and a doubly frustrated OP. Nice for the SO archive and stupid for anyone using SO actively.
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Aug 26, 2019 at 23:37 | comment | added | maaartinus |
@AlexeiLevenkov The problem with noobs is that they'd need to spend days investigating (and then, they may write a ten pages question containing their findings. No thanks). +++ Downvoting is fine, closing is fine but only after providing some hints - "Too broad" is simply too broad and should be banned. If you treat SO as a growing archive, then OK, but for getting answers it became pretty unusable for beginners. +++ Moreover, the question is only unanswerable because of being closed, by I guess, I provided an answer.
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Aug 26, 2019 at 23:05 | comment | added | Alexei Levenkov | @maaartinus for FR itself - I don't think suggesting CR is main (or even significant) problem with "performance" questions... If SO would consider more guidance based on tags in general your suggestion may be part of it, by itself it probably going to add more confusion than value... Especially if you see people with less than 3K rep commenting to post on CR - they won't even get warning you suggest as they are unlikely to close the post... Or if you vote "missing MCVE" and get "don't suggest CR" warning. | |
Aug 26, 2019 at 23:00 | comment | added | Alexei Levenkov | @maaartinus ohh… meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/388868/… :) … Without putting any effort to investigate I would likely write awful question too... But why the fact user is new should change if question contains all necessary information or not/answerable? | |
Aug 26, 2019 at 22:55 | comment | added | maaartinus | @AlexeiLevenkov I don't think the question is awful. Imagine yourself having maybe one year programming experience, how would you write it better? | |
Aug 26, 2019 at 22:52 | comment | added | maaartinus | @AlexeiLevenkov No, I don't want such questions to be prevented from being closed, I only want them to be prevented from being closed for this wrong stupid reason. And even more I want them not to be re-posted to CR. And yes, I don't want to forbid closing, I only want to warn the closers in case they're probably wrong. I don't have any 100% solution (this would need an AI smarter than our users), but I guess, we could catch quite a few cases - without much programming effort and without bothering the users much. | |
Aug 26, 2019 at 22:45 | history | edited | maaartinus | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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Aug 26, 2019 at 22:42 | comment | added | Alexei Levenkov |
I don't get what you are proposing - essentially stop closing questions tagged with "performance" whatsoever? The one you've linked to is perfect example of an awful performance question - "my code MethodINotGoingToShow(42) is slow. Fix it" - I don't see why it needs to stay open in current state nor I see good reasons why people suggest to move it to CR to help with perf part of the problem... Or is your suggestion to ask people to think/read guidance before providing random recommendations? (If you do have solution for that - share!).
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Aug 26, 2019 at 22:33 | comment | added | maaartinus |
@HereticMonkey The OP has stated in the second (now deleted) comment that they reposted to CR (all migration-related comments were deleted). So this is at least as big a problem for CR as for SO (actually bigger since it's better placed here and since CR is much smaller). Involving the moderator means more work for them and that's something what could be handled by more experienced users alone (it's just about showing an additional warning, so there's no need for a big boss). +++ The question was closed and reposted on CR - and this happens again and again.
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Aug 26, 2019 at 22:19 | comment | added | maaartinus |
@Lundin The users are dumb or just new.... and there are tons of them, which means that the system itself is dumb or new. The system isn't new, so it's dumb. +++ The two meta questions are surely related, but I'm asking for stopping users closing questions while Makoto's question asked for removing comments.
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Aug 26, 2019 at 15:57 | comment | added | George Stocker Mod | It doesn't seem lik ea duplicate to me; unless you have a previous feature-request asking for this same thing. | |
Aug 26, 2019 at 12:29 | comment | added | Heretic Monkey | Was an attempt made to get this question migrated to CR? I don't see it in the timeline. Why would closing this question on SO cause a problem for CR, such that we'd need a warning when closing the question on SO? I could see maybe a warning if a closer asked for a custom migration to CR, but then, those involve a moderator. And that's one of the many reasons we have moderators -- to prevent us stupid users from making ill-informed migrations. Or is this just in response to a comment someone made about asking on CR? How is that relevant to the close dialog? | |
Aug 26, 2019 at 11:30 | history | reopened |
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Aug 26, 2019 at 8:19 | comment | added | John Montgomery | I don't think a warning on close votes for the entire tag would be appropriate - for instance, the question you linked is clearly Too Broad regardless of whether it would fit on Code Review. | |
Aug 26, 2019 at 7:55 | comment | added | Lundin | And I don't see how this meta post is not a duplicate. | |
Aug 26, 2019 at 7:52 | comment | added | Lundin | It's not a hot potato game - it is dumb SO users who keep posting comments about "you should post this at CR" without knowing what's on topic on either site. Please flag such comments as "no longer needed", and that's that. | |
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Aug 26, 2019 at 0:11 | comment | added | maaartinus | @E_net4 Sure, there's no perfect solution, but there are quite a few things we could do and AFAIK we don't. I've read the accepted answer twice and I'm unsure if it answer any question (it's quite late here). ++ In case of the linked question, there's even a link to CR, so the poster could have been immediately informed about CR being no close reason at all. There's a "performance" tag, so any closer could have been shown a warning as I proposed. The question could be shown to some high-score reviewers, who could decide that a big red sign like "Before you vote to close...." should be shown. | |
Aug 25, 2019 at 23:55 | comment | added | E_net4 | The accepted answer does seem to apply here. It is unrealistic to be able to completely prevent people from doing that. | |
Aug 25, 2019 at 23:51 | comment | added | maaartinus | @Makoto No, this is no duplicate. I'm asking for stopping this nonsense completely. The other question asks for making some comments eligible for instant deletion, which may somewhat help with the hot potato problem, but I don't think it really does. | |
Aug 25, 2019 at 23:38 | history | closed | Makoto feature-request Users with the feature-request badge or a synonym can single-handedly close feature-request questions as duplicates and reopen them as needed. | Duplicate of Could we have comments stating, "This would work well on Code Review" and similar eligible for instant deletion? | |
Aug 25, 2019 at 23:31 | history | asked | maaartinus | CC BY-SA 4.0 |