Timeline for What are the company's expectations with regard to deceptively simple questions? A case study in the complexity of answering "beginner" questions
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Aug 11, 2022 at 6:45 | comment | added | Shog9 | Pretty sure lots of them have been, @karl. I guess whoever added that note was impatient about some that haven't, or at least haven't been deleted. Tricky for moderators to judge such things anyway - who's to say when IE6 is really dead. | |
Aug 11, 2022 at 0:10 | comment | added | Karl Knechtel | I see a note edited into the question that reads "Most comments here are outdated." Then why not flag them as NLN? | |
Aug 22, 2019 at 0:33 | comment | added | Shog9 Mod | A knowledge repository isn't like a dairy farm, or a supermarket, or even this Q&A site. A knowledge repository is a goal, a platonic ideal. Analogies are useful in helping to shape a path toward such a goal, but must be discarded the moment they lose relevance. We "throw out" a fairly staggering volume of questions every week here; we got that bit pretty well handled. It's the other parts: the prep, packaging, stock rotation... Where we need work. Your question here concerns prep. I've done sorting and culling in several fields; my observation is that patience, diligence and speed are key. | |
Aug 22, 2019 at 0:13 | comment | added | jpmc26 | @Shog9 Actually, you're right. A knowledge repository isn't like a dairy farm. It's like the supermarket, where the milk is already pasteurized and processed and packaged and ready to go and any bad milk has been thrown out. | |
Aug 22, 2019 at 0:08 | comment | added | Shog9 Mod | It takes a couple of years for a calf to come of age, and of course longer still before you get milk, @jpmc26. Dry time is important for health as well. I get the point you're trying to make, but this is probably a bad analogy for that point. | |
Aug 22, 2019 at 0:03 | comment | added | jpmc26 | @Shog9 Yes, but I bet you didn't keep cows that weren't of any help in creating milk. And you probably didn't keep milk that wasn't drinkable. And certainly no one told you that you weren't being nice enough to the cows that were creating undrinkable milk or stressing out the ones that made good milk when you pulled them out of the herd. | |
Aug 21, 2019 at 21:12 | comment | added | Shog9 Mod | I spent years working on a dairy farm, @jpmc26. The primary goal there is obtaining milk, but if you think you'll succeed in convincing cows to share that goal you're gonna have a bad time. Still, if you take care of your herd, feed them well, keep them happy and bred... You will get milk. Most of the folks asking questions here are not even aware of our goals; they probably should be, but expecting them to share those goals is likely not viable. Still, we can have milk in our tea. | |
Aug 21, 2019 at 21:06 | comment | added | jpmc26 | Also to be clear myself, I'm not trying to make an argument either way right now. I'm just reflecting on the implications of this on how we view and discuss the company's and community's values and how the site works, both in intention and in practice. Maybe it's better if being a knowledge repository is a secondary goal, or maybe that was implicit in the fact we're a Q/A site rather than a straight up wiki. Whatever the case, it isn't in line with what I mean by primarily being a knowledge repository and would expect to flow from that goal. | |
Aug 21, 2019 at 21:06 | comment | added | jpmc26 | @Shog9 I don't know. It just seems to me that if our primary goal is to be a knowledge repository, it seems to me we would want to be more aggressive in culling questions that are this specific but require covering so many topics at once. Rather, we would want readers to piece together that information themselves. I've also come to realize that if the asker had a better grasp of the issue (or was willing to spend more time refining their question), they could have trimmed away the file reading portion of their question entirely. I.e., strictly speaking, it's not a minimal example. | |
Aug 21, 2019 at 20:59 | comment | added | Shog9 Mod | To be clear, @jpmc26: I'm just describing how I've always approached this situation. I think it's a reasonable approach, but... YMMV. Still, if I got away with it for years - using this account and at least a dozen others - I'd have to say it works... | |
Aug 21, 2019 at 20:55 | comment | added | jpmc26 | For whatever it is worth, this, in my opinion, means that SO is not focused on being a knowledge repository but rather on what I term a "help desk," meaning that our responsibility is to give out answers as much as possible rather than try to limit the site to questions with narrower but more general applicability. SO may consider being a knowledge repository a secondary goal, but it doesn't want to evaluate questions according to it. I do think this represents a shift in site values, but at the moment, I'm less certain how much of one than I would have been previously. | |
Aug 20, 2019 at 22:23 | comment | added | Shog9 Mod | Folks should really mention butter more. | |
Aug 20, 2019 at 17:09 | comment | added | Robert Harvey Mod | Never heard the phrase, "all hot and runny" before, so I googled it and got butter, peanut butter, and some other unmentionables. | |
Aug 20, 2019 at 0:54 | vote | accept | jpmc26 | ||
Aug 20, 2019 at 0:14 | comment | added | Shog9 Mod | No, it's not too broad; as you note, the question is focused around a specific problem with a well-scoped solution. The asker - or indeed others - may lack the background knowledge to understand that answer, but like Feynman and magnets this is always a risk when you don't know the skill of your intended audience. All you can do is guess and provide a reasonably-useful (and reasonably-scoped) answer; no one can expect otherwise, @jpmc26. | |
Aug 20, 2019 at 0:14 | comment | added | jpmc26 | (I'm not going to argue with you about whether that's good or bad or whatever; I'm just trying to make sure I'm getting the correct impression.) | |
Aug 20, 2019 at 0:08 | comment | added | jpmc26 | Let me make sure I understand. The question is not to be considered Too Broad, and the expectations for an answer that I describe are beyond what the company expects? | |
Aug 19, 2019 at 23:58 | history | answered | Shog9Mod | CC BY-SA 4.0 |