Timeline for Creating a system for featuring posts. Tell the mods what you want
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Jul 31, 2019 at 8:34 | comment | added | l4mpi | @Blorgbeard restating my earlier comment: once SE sets any actionable rules about which posts to feature or not feature, these can be integrated in the script. If they don't do so, well, then that would be their fault and not ours. | |
Jul 30, 2019 at 21:25 | comment | added | Kevin | @Blorgbeard: Yes, they can do that. But for now, they have dumped the entire problem in the mods' collective lap with no warning, and with the expectation that the mods would "just deal with it." That will not fly, and we need to communicate such as clearly as possible. | |
Jul 30, 2019 at 21:12 | comment | added | Blorgbeard | I'm not talking about whether their decision makes sense, or is justified. My point is that it's their decision - it is their website. Any decision-making power that was given to the mods/community can be retracted at any time for any (or no) reason. So this combative attitude ("if they didn't want us doing ... they should have consulted") does not reflect the actual power-balance in the relationship between SE and the community. See: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/387651 | |
Jul 30, 2019 at 20:50 | comment | added | Kevin | @Blorgbeard: If SE didn't want us doing something like this, they should have consulted with us before shooting HMP in the head (even if only to give us time to come up with some manual process). The fact that they chose not to do so makes me extremely unsympathetic towards this sort of post-hoc rationalization of their position. | |
Jul 30, 2019 at 15:37 | comment | added | l4mpi | @Blorgbeard well, no SE have not made their requirements clear at all. At least, I don't quite get the causal link between "SE employees have nightmares from having to interact with meta" and "let's remove the HMQs and instead have mods feature posts". And if SE expresses any concrete requirements, these can either be handled by the script (if automatable) or manually handled by moderators - which would be exception handlers for the featured list in any case. | |
Jul 30, 2019 at 15:27 | comment | added | Blorgbeard | @lucasgcb my point is that SO staff have made their requirements clear, and at the end of the day they are in charge. If we try to be clever and exploit a loophole in their instructions, how do you suppose they will react? "Oh, I should have been more clear, oh well, nothing I can do now"? | |
Jul 30, 2019 at 7:31 | comment | added | lucasgcb | @Blorgbeard Hey, if SO staff wanna play bureaucrats they can have all the plotholes that come with it, which may include mod "conveniently" featuring hot posts. Community votes are human based, so I don't see the issue. | |
Jul 30, 2019 at 7:10 | comment | added | gnat | I haven't seen SE complaining about old selection algorithm. Rather opposite, it looks like they just don't worry about it. Which would be understandable, given that as explained in my answer the evidence suggests that algorithm is sensible. It is possible that they simply want more control over the selected content - which also would be understandable given their recent study of the impact of changes made to HNQ | |
Jul 30, 2019 at 2:23 | comment | added | forest | A clarification for this answer: Using a script to assist with the feature tag would not be turning featured into "the new HMP" because moderators would have complete oversight (they could remove posts without having to close them, for example), and would be able to tweak the algorithm, with flexible criteria, at will. | |
Jul 29, 2019 at 19:18 | comment | added | George Stocker Mod | Please keep the comments to clarifications on the answer and objections to the answer; it looks like it went into an extended discussion about factors outside this answer; and for that your best bet is to post an answer or to post a new Meta question. | |
Jul 25, 2019 at 22:24 | comment | added | Blorgbeard | Simply re-implementing Hot after SE basically said "the Hot algorithm is picking bad posts a lot of the time, we want this feature to be manually controlled" seems like an ... aggressive move. You might disagree with the removal of Hot, but how do you think it will go if you effectively overrule that decision? IMO the right path now is commit to manual control of the list, and discuss what human-based critieria/processes should be applied. | |
Jul 24, 2019 at 13:10 | comment | added | l4mpi | @Tensibai one solution would be to simply not bump a post when only the featured tag is added/removed. If SE is interested in implementing this for us is another question though. | |
Jul 24, 2019 at 13:01 | comment | added | Tensibai | My only concern is the bumps this will make to those posts in the active tab/meta home, but if rotated once every two hour or less often that shouldn't be a real problem at all. | |
Jul 24, 2019 at 12:31 | comment | added | Magisch | I upvoted this. I'd like for whatever criteria we settle upon to be 100% open and transparent. | |
Jul 24, 2019 at 12:28 | comment | added | user3956566 | That sounds good and if we can still have posts manually flagged and remove the feature tag on specific posts if people wish. | |
Jul 24, 2019 at 12:27 | history | edited | Bhargav RaoMod | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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Jul 24, 2019 at 12:27 | history | answered | l4mpi | CC BY-SA 4.0 |