Timeline for We’re removing “Hot Meta Posts” from Stack Overflow's sidebar for now; moderators now control the [featured] tag
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Sep 6, 2020 at 22:46 | comment | added | reducing activity | @Makoto "How we deal with it is more important right now." I nearly entirely left | |
Jul 25, 2019 at 5:07 | history | edited | EJoshuaS - Stand with Ukraine | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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Jul 24, 2019 at 15:19 | comment | added | EJoshuaS - Stand with Ukraine | @Makoto I've never heard of a company that treats their relationship with their clients as a benevolent dictatorship. A company that blatantly and cynically abuses its customers like this and ignores their stated wishes for the direction of the product is doing something seriously wrong. | |
Jul 24, 2019 at 15:12 | comment | added | EJoshuaS - Stand with Ukraine | @Makoto I think that the "benevolent" part is where we disagree. I see this as high-handed cynicism on their part, not benevolence. Besides, they have at least some obligation to us as customers who generate most of their revenue and are supplying them with something of value. If they no longer see it that way, they should just shut down the entire main site and focus on their other product offerings. | |
Jul 24, 2019 at 15:11 | comment | added | WBT | This removal of community input seems to be the main point. SE, the company, wants to make it easier for employees and mods to tell things to users. It does not want more input from the community or discussion around topics of import to the community's future. This is just the latest point in a pattern of disregarding the community; see the ads discussion preceding this one in the same pattern. It's now more common to see "We're doing X" than "Should we do X?" in meta posts from SE staff. They do not care what the community thinks. | |
Jul 24, 2019 at 4:53 | comment | added | Makoto | @EJoshuaS: That presumes a relationship with the doctor. In this case, we're dealing with benevolent dictators. There's a difference, even if the wording is unfortunate; we have a voice but we don't have a final say here. | |
Jul 24, 2019 at 4:32 | comment | added | EJoshuaS - Stand with Ukraine | @Makoto At this point, that seems like a doctor who breaks your leg and demands that you pay him to set it. This isn't just a case of "it is what it is"; this is a case of an unusually high-handed and cynical "screw you" to the community, done deliberately and with full intention. | |
Jul 23, 2019 at 22:03 | history | edited | EJoshuaS - Stand with Ukraine | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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Jul 23, 2019 at 21:56 | comment | added | Makoto | With this perspective, do you believe that yelling louder or having a fit about it will really help? The circumstance is what it is. How we deal with it is more important right now. | |
Jul 23, 2019 at 21:55 | comment | added | EJoshuaS - Stand with Ukraine | @Makoto It sucks to feel like we're just being ignored or bowled over. Yeah, especially when it's true. We were bowled over, and they are ignoring us now. | |
Jul 23, 2019 at 21:51 | comment | added | fbueckert | I can see @Makoto's point; apply this scenario to the New Contributor icon. It was suggested, most of the feedback was negative, and it happened regardless. Were we listened to? I dunno. Did feedback change anything meaningful about the feature? I doubt it. There's going to be some things we won't be able to change, and that's going to frustrate everybody. Unfortunately, this is what happens when you go from laissez faire management to being more hands on; we're used to our independence and having agency, and now that's all being taken away. | |
Jul 23, 2019 at 21:50 | comment | added | Makoto | I'm doing my damnedest right now to keep my cool about this whole thing. It sucks to feel like we're just being ignored or bowled over. The tricky thing here is that this isn't a linear progression. A decision was made, and the community gets its opportunity to give feedback. Whether or not we come in before or after the fact is not indicative of our feedback getting weighed. We can say "we don't like that you did this, change it back", but that may or may not actually be tenable. We don't know. I'd say be patient, but everyone's patience has limits. | |
Jul 23, 2019 at 21:48 | comment | added | EJoshuaS - Stand with Ukraine | @Makoto our feedback will always be weighed and taken into account No, it won't - that's exactly what didn't happen here. | |
Jul 23, 2019 at 21:46 | comment | added | Makoto | Honestly, consulting us first wouldn't have worked since we'd have had a whinge about it (as in, what we're doing now just without the feature suddenly changed) and there would still be some non-zero amount of pressure to get this addressed in one way or another, external from any of our discussion. Remember: our feedback will always be weighed and taken into account, but at the end of the day, it really is the company that makes the final call. | |
Jul 23, 2019 at 21:33 | comment | added | EJoshuaS - Stand with Ukraine | @AndrasDeak Yeah, I think that sidelining Meta is exactly the point. If not, that's sure how it looks. | |
Jul 23, 2019 at 21:33 | comment | added | Script47 | 'The community should've been consulted before just springing the change on us.' - Story of our lives recently. | |
Jul 23, 2019 at 21:32 | comment | added | Andras Deak -- Слава Україні | The only obvious point in hiding hot meta posts is to sweep as many issues as possible under the rug. Which (along with a long time of subtle feedback, or lack thereof) is the opposite of wanting to consult us about anything. This change for some weird and inexplicable reason looks exactly like an attempt at sidelining meta. Probably a coincidence though. | |
Jul 23, 2019 at 21:29 | history | answered | EJoshuaS - Stand with Ukraine | CC BY-SA 4.0 |