Timeline for Require Participation in a Community Before Making Decisions that Affect That Community's Future
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Jul 29, 2020 at 20:03 | comment | added | Dalija Prasnikar Mod | If only you had written this before whole hell broke loose... Oh, wait, you did... This is relevant now more than ever... Every single mistake made was because those that knew were not listened to and company continues on the same path... not listening... | |
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Jul 23, 2019 at 11:52 | comment | added | Raedwald | It's not impossible that SE use a private instance of SO (like SO for teams/ Enterprise, whatever it's called) internally. But I've not seen any statement that they do. | |
Jul 23, 2019 at 3:34 | answer | added | artem | timeline score: -22 | |
Jul 22, 2019 at 6:02 | answer | added | CatijaStaff | timeline score: 17 | |
Jul 21, 2019 at 21:00 | comment | added | Makoto | @jww: My remark is more tongue-in-cheek than it seems. In all honesty, constructive criticism doesn't start with the premise of shame, and while sometimes we can't find any silver lining in any kind of feedback we want to deliver, at a minimum we can not sound like jerks when giving it. | |
Jul 21, 2019 at 20:52 | comment | added | jww | @Makoto - "Taking a critical/negative tone towards things on the site doesn't motivate actual change, and can lead to feedback being either unread or disregarded..." - Funny, the current leadership at Stack Overflow does that now for all feedback (both positive and negative). They have proven they cannot identify and fix problems. Since positive feedback has not worked, keep shaming them until they change their ways or we get rid of the incompetent leadership. Shame is a security control. Confer, mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/websec/… . | |
Jul 21, 2019 at 17:29 | comment | added | Robert Harvey Mod | @Blorgbeard: More of a general impression. When a company gets to be a certain size, they tend to forget what made them successful in the first place. By their own admission, Stack Exchange becoming larger has made it harder to roll out features and fixes, because they have to work through more layers of bureaucracy. I'm not saying that companies should never evolve; I'm saying that Undercover Boss exists for a reason. | |
Jul 21, 2019 at 17:28 | comment | added | user692942 | @Blorgbeard just look at the most recent blog post and the subsequent metas it spawned. | |
Jul 21, 2019 at 17:25 | comment | added | Blorgbeard | I feel like this post is a response to something that I'm not aware of. Am I out of a loop here? | |
Jul 21, 2019 at 15:11 | answer | added | Sara ChippsStaffMod | timeline score: -23 | |
Jul 21, 2019 at 11:32 | comment | added | user1725145 | I see no "barely concealed anger" in this post. It is a great post. | |
Jul 21, 2019 at 11:24 | comment | added | Dan Bron | @FélixGagnon-Grenier I agree with that statement ;) | |
Jul 21, 2019 at 11:23 | comment | added | Félix Adriyel Gagnon-Grenier | Which is not to say that all takeaways are equally valid @DanBron. | |
Jul 21, 2019 at 1:27 | history | edited | Robert HarveyMod | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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Jul 21, 2019 at 1:18 | comment | added | Dan Bron | @mason If you can’t see it, I am in no position to help. We all take away what we take away. | |
Jul 21, 2019 at 1:14 | comment | added | Makoto | @RobertHarvey: Hopefully my response will show you that this is a struggle which actually sucks, and it's a stark realization of the kind of situation we've found ourselves in. I say, be as expressive and as frustrated as you need to be. Bottling it up and dressing it up isn't going to help either of us. | |
Jul 21, 2019 at 1:12 | comment | added | mason | @DanBron what barely subdued anger? I think you are reading into something that is not there. | |
Jul 21, 2019 at 1:12 | comment | added | Robert Harvey Mod | Boy I have to be sooo careful how I say things nowadays. In case you haven't figured it out yet, I favor the truth over saccharine sweetness, and don't take much stock in the political correctness that seems to be the order of the day. | |
Jul 21, 2019 at 1:11 | comment | added | Dan Bron | @RobertHarvey What Makoto said. If you want attention, and more especially action, of the people you’re targeting with this post, barely-subdued anger is not the way to get it. | |
Jul 21, 2019 at 1:09 | comment | added | Makoto | @RobertHarvey: Taking a critical/negative tone towards things on the site doesn't motivate actual change, and can lead to feedback being either unread or disregarded in one form or another. It basically means that those who read this feedback may misinterpret it. I don't see any issues and I also hope that this feedback is read. | |
Jul 21, 2019 at 1:08 | history | edited | Robert HarveyMod | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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Jul 21, 2019 at 1:05 | answer | added | Makoto | timeline score: 53 | |
Jul 21, 2019 at 1:04 | comment | added | Robert Harvey Mod | @DanBron: What's wrong with my tone? | |
Jul 21, 2019 at 1:03 | comment | added | Dan Bron | As an abstract philosophical exercise, I agree with this post. In terms of tone, I think it is likely counterproductive (though I know where the tone comes from). And, small but important note: as someone recently joining sr mgmt, the line workers also do not know what they do not know. There are problems they aren’t in a position to see, just as mgmt isn’t in a position to see the problems they can. Final hedge: I don’t have a solution to the problems or tension in the network. | |
Jul 21, 2019 at 0:16 | comment | added | mason | Hard to agree more. When I see SE employees participating in Meta but they have barely dabbled in using the site, I can't help but conclude that's at least in part responsible for a lot of the tension between staff and the rest of the community. | |
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