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Jul 13, 2019 at 15:13 | comment | added | jrh | Hypothetically if a site showed up that fit my schedule or goals better I'd switch. But for right now it doesn't make sense for me to take a less efficient route for the sake of standing on principle (of the form "this site has problems so I'm going to use something even worse"). Unfortunately the other kinds of sites I mentioned in my answer above haven't learned from SE so they are just as bad as they were before 2009. | |
Jul 13, 2019 at 15:11 | comment | added | jrh | @TylerH also, I read your reply (whoops, I don't get notifications on github replies) but I couldn't think of anything to add, other than 1) I really do find unanswered, zero vote questions useful, it tells me a bit about the other guy's setup which can be a valuable hint and 2) I kinda take a pragmatic approach, for me personally SE has the best balance between helping somebody out, time investment and preservation that I'm aware of; journals like IEEE (for research) or official docs like docs.microsoft.com are more permanent but they would take a lot longer than an hour to contribute to. | |
Jul 11, 2019 at 22:12 | comment | added | jrh | @TylerH I have read the "make questions valuable for somebody other than just you" thing before, it's not enough IMO, SE doesn't feel like a documentation / reference site like Wikipedia or Microsoft Docs or any of the other official docs sites. Maybe if they take the individual out of it (the poster) and focus on something more like making an encyclopedia (but not exactly like Wikipedia). Do something that drops the focus on helping posters get an answer to some sudden problem they just had and retarget it to people who found an answer and are looking for a place to put it. | |
Jul 11, 2019 at 22:02 | comment | added | TylerH | @jrh Indeed. And later on down the road, the attempt at SO Docs was the next obvious iteration of an attempt at solving that problem. We know how that fared... | |
Jul 11, 2019 at 22:02 | comment | added | jrh | @TylerH it's my opinion that the founders didn't help this situation when they speculated in some blog post (I forget which one) that they could build a knowledge repository using questions written by users looking to solve one specific problem. I think maybe they were worried that there weren't enough devs who actually enjoyed writing documentation so they invited anyone with a question to post and hoped most problems would be good documentation; they aren't. | |
Jul 11, 2019 at 21:44 | comment | added | TylerH | @jrh I've bookmarked and starred that gist. Thanks again for writing up your thoughts, I think they're pretty spot on (at least, the 1st part. I haven't gotten through the Roomba section yet) | |
Jul 11, 2019 at 21:40 | comment | added | TylerH | It's hard to say "we only want questions from people who care about the value of their questions to others". The site does say "SO isn't for you, it's for the next person" which is frankly ridiculous to expect anyone to believe when there's no filtration at the door regarding it. And it's not like asking the question "are you trying to get something fixed or are do you have an interesting question/problem you'd like an answer/solution to", and then turning away anyone who asked the former, would work... people would quickly just learn to blindly click the second option. | |
Jul 11, 2019 at 21:37 | comment | added | TylerH | @jrh Thanks for writing that up. I think I agree with the overall sentiment in your comment and your full gist. One big reason is the disparity of where people are coming from -- aside from the big gulf between how much research/effort some people put into their questions vs others, I think the issue of a high quality repository is hurt by not distinguishing at all between the people who come here to ask a question in general that they want to solve, and the people who come here because they need something working now for work (or homework) and they don't care about others' experience, OFC. | |
Jul 11, 2019 at 14:16 | comment | added | jrh | Also, another thing I'd like to add to my gist: A one on one help site has every reason to optimize for user growth (it shows that there are volunteers and users that trust the platform), but a knowledge repository does not need that as much, instead it seems like it should be optimizing for view growth, user growth on a documentation site is like a job posting and should have a purpose, e.g.,, "what needs to be maintained", "what new topics do we want to cover", etc. Or a more practical example, an encyclopedia's end goal is readers, a tutoring service seeks out customers and teachers. | |
Jul 10, 2019 at 22:26 | comment | added | jrh | @TylerH here you go, I thought it over and the Roomba actually isn't my least favorite part of this site, there's a deeper cause. | |
Jul 10, 2019 at 16:34 | comment | added | jrh | @TylerH the thing I don't like about it is, it deletes zero scored "inactive" posts; I'll type something up about it in more detail tonight and throw it on a gist. Alternatively if I could opt into seeing deleted questions and have them be indexed by a decent search I'd be okay with that. | |
Jul 10, 2019 at 15:57 | comment | added | TylerH | I don't know where you stand on it, but I think the Roomba should be more aggressive. It's far from my least favorite thing about this place, though. | |
Jul 10, 2019 at 12:00 | history | edited | jrh | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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Jul 9, 2019 at 23:31 | comment | added | jrh | Also if anyone wants to know what I think doesn't work in SE let me know; the quick version is, the Roomba is my least favorite thing about this place. | |
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Jul 2, 2019 at 2:28 | history | edited | Peter Mortensen | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
Active reading [<https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/more_so> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet> <http://stackoverflow.com/legal/trademark-guidance> (the last section)].
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Jun 30, 2019 at 20:10 | comment | added | jrh | @Jean-FrançoisFabre Typical MSDN Q/A pair: Q: "My code to write data to a csv file isn't working (...), how do I fix it?" A: "It sounds like third party software has corrupted your system, you should box up your computer and send it back for a refund, then fumigate your house for bugs, reset all of your passwords, change all of your phone numbers, eject all of your earthly belongings into the sun, and become a monk for the rest of your days. If you found this answer helpful please mark it as the answer, please (marked as answer by answerer)." | |
Jun 30, 2019 at 18:44 | comment | added | Jean-François Fabre Mod | "No helpdesk script answers": well, only briefly, until we nuke them :) (stackoverflow.com/questions/14513572/…) | |
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Jun 30, 2019 at 15:50 | comment | added | jrh | Also, I guess if you're saying "it sounds like you like SO's QA format", well, you're right. I like some stuff about SO's implementation. I have deliberately left out what I don't like for the most part (it's not what was asked). I stay here because the site has some features I like, despite some rather strange recent decisions. I think the goal of creating a knowledge repository was a good one. | |
Jun 30, 2019 at 15:39 | comment | added | jrh | @idmean I have to respectfully disagree, it's very rare to find a site that doesn't consider content as anything other than a short term goal. The way they organize their content and discourage poor answers are the design features that keep me coming back. There are SE clones out there but they tend to be focused on one product and managed by that company, and they have a much smaller moderation staff so they can't keep the quality high. | |
Jun 30, 2019 at 15:34 | comment | added | idmean | These are just well-known advantages of the SE Q&A format but doesn’t really explain why you personally still use the site although Stack Overflow Inc. has made some decisions in the past that members of the community think are not the best – this is what the question is about. | |
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Jun 30, 2019 at 15:17 | history | answered | jrh | CC BY-SA 4.0 |