Timeline for Why do you stay?
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Aug 1, 2020 at 2:40 | comment | added | Tracy | "I'm very hesitant to ask this." - Of course you were! I would've been terrified. But God bless you for taking the risk. And I'm pleasantly shocked to see you did not face a down-voting firing squad. ;-) | |
Jul 31, 2020 at 21:49 | answer | added | Tracy | timeline score: -15 | |
Jul 15, 2019 at 20:25 | comment | added | Don't Panic | @TylerH Sorry for taking a while to reply, I've been away for a bit. I meant Stack Overflow, not just Meta. I was really thinking of it as one thing when I wrote the question. It didn't occur to me to make the distinction at the time. | |
Jul 10, 2019 at 15:25 | comment | added | TylerH | Is this asking why we stay on Meta or why we stay on Stack Overflow? | |
Jul 9, 2019 at 1:45 | review | Close votes | |||
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Jul 3, 2019 at 23:10 | answer | added | Makoto | timeline score: 13 | |
Jul 2, 2019 at 16:49 | comment | added | Taplar | @MattR Replace "someone" with "a team of people" and I'd agree, :) | |
Jul 1, 2019 at 21:01 | answer | added | hobbs | timeline score: 14 | |
Jul 1, 2019 at 19:51 | comment | added | NoDataDumpNoContribution | @JamesKPolk Learning something new is the best part for me too. However, I think that one probably doesn't need the kind of questions that get asked here (not 95%of them at least) in order to be curious. You could also just ask yourself lots of questions and then try to answer them. | |
Jul 1, 2019 at 19:47 | comment | added | NoDataDumpNoContribution | Are there statistics available showing a lower activity? Something like number of answers scored positively per month or number of active (answering, voting ) users with rep above threshold of say 1k. | |
Jul 1, 2019 at 19:03 | answer | added | Kevin B | timeline score: 50 | |
Jul 1, 2019 at 18:05 | answer | added | ivan_pozdeev | timeline score: 12 | |
Jul 1, 2019 at 17:28 | answer | added | Draco18s no longer trusts SE | timeline score: 12 | |
Jul 1, 2019 at 16:57 | comment | added | MattR | this is exactly the point in the market where someone who can code will make an alternative and we will all jump ship and go there. But where is that person who can code going to come from? maybe from some site that "supports" coders and is currently not listening to him/her? heh. | |
Jul 1, 2019 at 16:47 | answer | added | user692942 | timeline score: 6 | |
Jul 1, 2019 at 16:44 | comment | added | President James K. Polk | I'm retired, so I stay here to see what the cool kids are interested in and keep my hand in the game. One fact has never changed, even as the site has regressed: by answering questions I inevitably do a little research and still learn new things all the time. | |
Jul 1, 2019 at 16:27 | comment | added | LittleBobbyTables - Au Revoir | I stay because those delete votes aren't going to cast themselves. | |
Jul 1, 2019 at 16:03 | answer | added | user50049 | timeline score: 23 | |
Jul 1, 2019 at 15:34 | answer | added | user128511 | timeline score: 6 | |
Jul 1, 2019 at 14:44 | comment | added | jrh | @camjocotem interesting site, thanks, but unfortunately the "This topic will close 3 months after the last reply." thing is kind of a dealbreaker for me. Seems like it's optimized more for one on one help than creating a Q/A archive (nothing wrong with that though, glad somebody is filling that niche). | |
Jul 1, 2019 at 13:16 | answer | added | Gimby | timeline score: 8 | |
Jul 1, 2019 at 12:44 | comment | added | Taplar | I don't know of any better alternatives. | |
Jul 1, 2019 at 12:36 | answer | added | MonkeyZeus | timeline score: 4 | |
Jul 1, 2019 at 12:36 | answer | added | Nasreddine Galfout | timeline score: 7 | |
Jul 1, 2019 at 6:30 | answer | added | Magisch | timeline score: 11 | |
Jul 1, 2019 at 6:27 | comment | added | Magisch | @CodyGray despite my answer on that question not sounding like it, i'm also pretty ticked off about the homepage thing. I came here first because it advertised itself as nothing like what it's turning into... | |
Jun 30, 2019 at 15:17 | answer | added | jrh | timeline score: 37 | |
Jun 30, 2019 at 13:14 | answer | added | Mark Amery | timeline score: 28 | |
Jun 30, 2019 at 12:55 | comment | added | nyedidikeke | @YvetteColomb: I'm a bit lost; what the issue? Why that feeling? What am I missing please? | |
Jun 30, 2019 at 12:31 | answer | added | David Arenburg | timeline score: 17 | |
Jun 30, 2019 at 12:25 | answer | added | iBug | timeline score: 6 | |
Jun 30, 2019 at 12:13 | comment | added | Reblochon Masque | I am staying to see when the "I want to please everyone instead of being myself" grand "be-nice-or-else" route SO took a year ago will blow up... it should not be long now! | |
Jun 30, 2019 at 11:57 | answer | added | Steve Summit | timeline score: 8 | |
Jun 30, 2019 at 9:46 | comment | added | Mark Rotteveel | @AndrasDeak More like, avoiding negativity makes life brighter. | |
Jun 30, 2019 at 9:38 | comment | added | Andras Deak -- Слава Україні | @MarkRotteveel "Ignorance is strength", after all | |
Jun 30, 2019 at 8:58 | comment | added | camjocotem | I personally jump between Stackoverflow and Sitepoint. If I need an answer to a question I'll check Stackoverflow first then sitepoint. If I need to ask a question I'll ask on Sitepoint, just feels nicer there. | |
Jun 30, 2019 at 8:30 | answer | added | rekire | timeline score: 6 | |
Jun 30, 2019 at 7:20 | comment | added | Mark Rotteveel | Meta is an echo-chamber, and the negativity that surfaces here is self-reinforcing. Try staying away from meta: it helps. | |
Jun 30, 2019 at 6:40 | comment | added | Cody Gray Mod | @Jarrod Some pretty serious accusations in that last comment: moderators lying and gaslighting? Where did this happen? Can you provide any evidence? Was it a community-elected moderator, or a Stack Exchange employee? Both carry diamonds, but they answer to different people and seem to have rather different perspectives nowadays. | |
Jun 29, 2019 at 23:33 | comment | added | user10677470 | I left once when I got my 40K account reset, in order to force myself to not contribute anymore. I re-rolled a few months later just to not have to deal with not having a registered account. I just submitted a profile delete again because of recent decisions that were not only lied about their motivations but double down upon and the gaslighting by mods. The "return" on investment was gone a long time ago, it is in the negative now with the loss of trust in the powers that be. I can put the time I spent in SO into building something I would be invested in instead. As Jem sings 24 hours ... | |
Jun 29, 2019 at 20:10 | answer | added | matt | timeline score: 57 | |
Jun 29, 2019 at 18:43 | answer | added | Andreas condemns Israel | timeline score: 30 | |
Jun 29, 2019 at 18:43 | answer | added | gnat | timeline score: 73 | |
Jun 29, 2019 at 18:21 | answer | added | user1118321 | timeline score: 17 | |
Jun 29, 2019 at 17:24 | comment | added | Andras Deak -- Слава Україні | @CodyGray "That's my secret, Cap. I'm always angry." | |
Jun 29, 2019 at 17:17 | comment | added | Andreas condemns Israel | @Gourav: maybe? | |
Jun 29, 2019 at 16:23 | answer | added | Scott Hannen | timeline score: 15 | |
Jun 29, 2019 at 15:35 | comment | added | Cindy Meister | Looking at some of what's coming out in the answers (and some comments) this was a good question to ask. Thank you. | |
Jun 29, 2019 at 15:31 | comment | added | Cindy Meister | @ScottHannen And what about people who perform both tasks? In my case, both tasks are frustrating. The problems with queues are a "known"; the problems with answering (for me) are those who have no idea how the site "should" be used, whether askers or answerers. And those who would know, but have been thrown off by the "welcoming" campaign and have the feeling everything now needs to be allowed. And for low traffic tags, things don't get put on hold fast enough to keep up with the poor quality contributions. | |
Jun 29, 2019 at 15:28 | answer | added | E_net4 | timeline score: 25 | |
Jun 29, 2019 at 15:24 | answer | added | allo | timeline score: -7 | |
Jun 29, 2019 at 14:11 | comment | added | Gourav | @Andreas Are you convincing all people with 500+ reputation to go on strike? | |
Jun 29, 2019 at 12:37 | answer | added | Carcigenicate | timeline score: 88 | |
Jun 29, 2019 at 12:27 | comment | added | Scott Hannen | Is there is a measurable difference in satisfaction between users who review and monitor queues vs. those who just answer? I wonder if the queues are inherently a burnout task. I wouldn't know because everything I read about it makes it sound awful. The people who seem unhappy sound like me when I'm burnt out. It tends to magnify my frustrations. What was annoying becomes unbearable. Could that be a factor? It can happen to volunteers, not just employees. | |
Jun 29, 2019 at 11:45 | comment | added | Marco13 | My answer could be along the lines of "Heck, what else should I do all day?", but maybe I'd elaborate that further. However, the boiling frog comparison by HFBrowning describes it pretty well: Recently (especially since 2018/04/26) some developments went parabolic and seriously derailed, in addition to the stack of unresolved technical and organizational problems that are always discussed on meta and never really tackled by those who (in view of this) seem to have lost the connection to their core user base. | |
Jun 29, 2019 at 10:59 | comment | added | Andreas condemns Israel | @πάνταῥεῖ Probably not, but with the recent (and not so recent) changes, it seems as SO wants to host a site of many VLQ posts (specifically referencing the removal of the close reason for a lack of minimal understanding). | |
Jun 29, 2019 at 10:57 | comment | added | πάντα ῥεῖ | @Andreas Well, you have to convince Joel, I don't think he'll be impressed about your threat. | |
Jun 29, 2019 at 10:55 | comment | added | Andreas condemns Israel | @πάνταῥεῖ We could sit down, write 100 posts, and threaten to leave, on the day (all users with 500+ reputation (reviewers)), if things not immediately change... No, not very realistic, but could've worked. | |
Jun 29, 2019 at 10:53 | comment | added | πάντα ῥεῖ | @Andreas That train is long gone ... | |
Jun 29, 2019 at 10:35 | comment | added | Andreas condemns Israel | I'm waiting for SO to do like Wikipedia, and become a non-profit organization. | |
Jun 29, 2019 at 10:13 | history | edited | Peter Mortensen | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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Jun 29, 2019 at 9:17 | answer | added | Cindy Meister | timeline score: 140 | |
Jun 29, 2019 at 9:13 | comment | added | Zoe - Save the data dump Mod | Very related: meta.stackoverflow.com/q/373158/6296561 meta.stackoverflow.com/q/251758/6296561 | |
Jun 29, 2019 at 9:12 | comment | added | Zoe - Save the data dump Mod | Meta is negative because we're missing features, and because we're negative, we're not getting new features. Kinda ironic if you ask me. The problem is that while the community wants new moderation tools, we're instead getting a new homepage for anonymous users that seem more designed to scare them off than get new users. As a result, users leave. There's no point in trying to make a difference when the people who, at the end of the day have the final say, don't do anything with the meta input they get. | |
Jun 29, 2019 at 8:55 | comment | added | Modus Tollens | @TaW I am sorry you experienced it that way. For me, it wasn't broken. | |
Jun 29, 2019 at 8:31 | comment | added | TaW | I too want to help people on meta Huh?? It is and for all the few years I have known it been the wrong place to help anybody or to achieve anything for the site. Meta has always been broken and a constant cource of frustration. I usually avoid it like the plague. GD&R | |
Jun 29, 2019 at 5:55 | comment | added | Erik A | I've generally been here because I felt like my opinion was valued and I could create positive change. I'm starting to doubt more and more if that's true, and might disengage more. I want to be positive, but just don't get the chance to. And that makes me dislike my own role here. | |
Jun 29, 2019 at 5:27 | comment | added | Gourav | My case is also the same as @CodyGray I too want to help people on meta, give my opinions, etc, etc but why I also feel angry and tired is because no one here sees the positive side of the opinion, all are sticked to give out the negatives in the opinion, then what will be the mentality if the new comers for meta? Automatically, they will not be regular visitors and not be eager to help others, we should care for it otherwise it will turn out to be a great problem. | |
Jun 29, 2019 at 4:40 | comment | added | Modus Tollens | I don't feel anger, I feel a kind of tiredness. It's not just the fault of the site, it is more of a lifelong experience with how things can decline due to a lack of communication. Seeing it happen again is demotivating. | |
Jun 29, 2019 at 4:36 | comment | added | Modus Tollens | I can feel that I have begun the process of leaving. But I have been here for over 7 years, visiting is part of my morning routine, like reading the news. I am not gone yet because I wait for a reaction from SO. It will be too late, it will contain the usual apology about it being too late (those reactions always do), but I want to read it. That's the only thing left, I stopped participating in anything. | |
Jun 29, 2019 at 4:03 | comment | added | whatsisname | "The way people talk it seems like there would have been a mass exodus by now." - what makes you think it hasn't? | |
Jun 29, 2019 at 3:43 | comment | added | Davy M | I'm here because I like to watch empires burn. | |
Jun 29, 2019 at 1:59 | comment | added | user3956566 | @CodyGray it's just disappointing. All that effort and dedication. What for? The site has more money than sense atm, but that won't last long. They have people who are disconnected from the programming community and the actual appeal of this site that made it was it was/is making decisions. They need to listen to Shog. I don't feel I can comment further without opening some can of worms. | |
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Jun 29, 2019 at 1:50 | comment | added | Cody Gray Mod | The anger I have now comes from feeling tricked, duped, betrayed, lied to, ignored, and helpless. It also comes from feeling like we're right on the edge of something great, but being held back because of stupid decisions. That kind of thing always tends to make me angry. As for why I stick around, it's a combination of feeling like it can still be fixed and the sunk-cost fallacy. I'm still trying to figure out why everyone is not as angry about this as I am, because even after having taken some time to reflect on it, calm down, reconsider from multiple angles, etc., I still can't accept it. | |
Jun 29, 2019 at 0:49 | comment | added | Don't Panic | @Cody you were definitely one of the "people who weren't always like that" I was thinking of. | |
Jun 29, 2019 at 0:41 | comment | added | Cody Gray Mod | If you had asked this a week ago, I would have been able to write a good answer. It used to be that, despite the growing pains and issues, this was a site with a vision that I fundamentally believed in, that I helped grow and steer, and that I thought I could continue to grow and steer in a positive direction. Nothing is perfect, but SO was so much better than the alternatives. Now that the home page has been replaced with a giant advertising banner and free, public Q&A has effectively been hidden from view, I am rethinking my position. I am now wondering for myself why I stay. | |
Jun 29, 2019 at 0:17 | comment | added | Sebastian Simon | @SebastianSimon “I’m not convinced I’ll stay…” — honestly, I just hit the character limit for my comment there. I will most likely stay. The biggest reason that will keep me away — hopefully — is that I need the time to study. Other than that, I will just continue answering and moderating as before. I have my Custom Questions Lists so I don’t really care about the home page redesign that much. | |
Jun 29, 2019 at 0:13 | comment | added | HFBrowning | My guess for others would be that the rate of decline has increased very rapidly as of late. Probably so rapidly that people are more alarmed (the opposite of the frog boiling problem) and want to speak out about it. If nothing changes, as it won't, even the loudest and angriest will just end up leaving. I stay because I'm not that emotionally invested in the site. I'm sad that it's getting worse but neither surprised nor particularly riled up about it. But I'm also a very casual user - it would be much more personal to me if I had committed so much of myself to the site as some have. | |
Jun 28, 2019 at 23:35 | comment | added | Sebastian Simon | During my first year I’ve stayed because the site became addictive; I loved to help people! Next, it was certain milestones, like some tag badge or a specific privilege. Currently, I’m mostly active on Meta to post my “Cross-site post on Meta.SE” comments all over the place, and I’m not so active on main, because of the lack of time; mostly I’ll vote to close as off-topic / dupe anyway. Right now, because of e.g. the new home page or the deleted research answer I’m not convinced I’ll stay… | |
Jun 28, 2019 at 23:26 | comment | added | user4639281 | I keep typing "m"+enter in my address bar. Muscle memory. | |
Jun 28, 2019 at 23:20 | history | asked | Don't Panic | CC BY-SA 4.0 |