Timeline for MCVExit redux: I don't need a milkshake to know when I've missed the mark
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May 23, 2019 at 23:18 | comment | added | tera | Thank you, I'll cite that page in the future instead. | |
May 23, 2019 at 23:04 | comment | added | Shog9 Mod | Yeah, there's a lot more on that aspect in the How to Ask article, tera - this is one of those situations where choice of close reason (Unclear vs OT->Debugging) makes a big difference in terms of what guidance is available, even though both try to summarize roughly what needs to be done. | |
May 23, 2019 at 22:41 | comment | added | tera | I the case that triggered my question a "Minimal, Reproducible Example" would have been the full source code + build commands. That would have enabled me to go and build, finding what the compiler complains about. However I would certainly not have undertaken that effort and rather just skipped the question. A "Complete Example" in my understanding would contain the error message, but I find no reference to that on the [mcve] page. The close vote dialog contains a good text in that respect, I have updated my "answer" to reference the dialog box. | |
May 23, 2019 at 22:39 | history | edited | tera | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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May 23, 2019 at 22:17 | comment | added | duplode | @Shog9 Interestingly, my own mental model of "MCVE" matches neither of those. I have taken "complete" to mean "exhibits all aspects of the problem the question is about". The "self-contained" part would amount to "verifiable", while the mistaken "contains everything" interpretation would be curtailed by "minimal". That, I guess, is one more anecdote in support of the point you have just made. | |
May 23, 2019 at 21:59 | comment | added | Shog9 Mod | I'm glad you asked this, since it's come up a few times in comments elsewhere: the issue with complete is that there are two opposing interpretations - "complete" as "self-contained" and "complete" as "containing everything". The former is what we want; the latter is a common misinterpretation. The emphasis on "minimal" was intended to mitigate this misunderstanding, but success has been mixed - worst-case, people leave out information crucial for reproducing the problem, but include lots of irrelevant code. "Complete" remains as a section in the article itself, with copious clarification. | |
May 23, 2019 at 21:51 | comment | added | duplode | I believe my answer addresses this objection, at least in part. The gist of it seems to be that: (1) "reproducible" and "complete and verifiable" are logically equivalent, the difference between them being at most a matter of presentation; and (2) Part of the point of the revision of the changes being announced here is allowing folks to remain using "MCVE" if they feel that is more effective. | |
May 23, 2019 at 20:27 | history | answered | tera | CC BY-SA 4.0 |