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May 23, 2019 at 23:18 comment added tera Thank you, I'll cite that page in the future instead.
May 23, 2019 at 23:04 comment added Shog9 Mod Yeah, there's a lot more on that aspect in the How to Ask article, tera - this is one of those situations where choice of close reason (Unclear vs OT->Debugging) makes a big difference in terms of what guidance is available, even though both try to summarize roughly what needs to be done.
May 23, 2019 at 22:41 comment added tera I the case that triggered my question a "Minimal, Reproducible Example" would have been the full source code + build commands. That would have enabled me to go and build, finding what the compiler complains about. However I would certainly not have undertaken that effort and rather just skipped the question. A "Complete Example" in my understanding would contain the error message, but I find no reference to that on the [mcve] page. The close vote dialog contains a good text in that respect, I have updated my "answer" to reference the dialog box.
May 23, 2019 at 22:39 history edited tera CC BY-SA 4.0
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May 23, 2019 at 22:17 comment added duplode @Shog9 Interestingly, my own mental model of "MCVE" matches neither of those. I have taken "complete" to mean "exhibits all aspects of the problem the question is about". The "self-contained" part would amount to "verifiable", while the mistaken "contains everything" interpretation would be curtailed by "minimal". That, I guess, is one more anecdote in support of the point you have just made.
May 23, 2019 at 21:59 comment added Shog9 Mod I'm glad you asked this, since it's come up a few times in comments elsewhere: the issue with complete is that there are two opposing interpretations - "complete" as "self-contained" and "complete" as "containing everything". The former is what we want; the latter is a common misinterpretation. The emphasis on "minimal" was intended to mitigate this misunderstanding, but success has been mixed - worst-case, people leave out information crucial for reproducing the problem, but include lots of irrelevant code. "Complete" remains as a section in the article itself, with copious clarification.
May 23, 2019 at 21:51 comment added duplode I believe my answer addresses this objection, at least in part. The gist of it seems to be that: (1) "reproducible" and "complete and verifiable" are logically equivalent, the difference between them being at most a matter of presentation; and (2) Part of the point of the revision of the changes being announced here is allowing folks to remain using "MCVE" if they feel that is more effective.
May 23, 2019 at 20:27 history answered tera CC BY-SA 4.0