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May 23, 2019 at 21:25 comment added jpmc26 @DaveyDaveDave Did he? Let's look at the original post. The original post demands that MCVE is "awkward." It suggests changing the name to "Minimal, Reproducible Example," with enormous emphasis on using the word "reproducible." It suggests abbreviating it to "reprex." The only one of those he reconsidered was the abbreviation, which he didn't come up with a replacement for. Various forms of "reproduce" notably occur more times than "reprex" in the post. I see no evidence that he reconsidered anything about the other two.
May 23, 2019 at 17:40 comment added Greg Schmit @jpmc26 I see your point on "reproducible" being based on the problem, not the example, but when I read it, I think "able to reproduce (the problem)". And while that may not strictly be true in terms of grammar, I think most people understand what is meant by the abbreviation and I think "Reproducible" is more clear that "Verifiable" even though the grammar might be technically more sound in the latter case.
May 23, 2019 at 16:00 comment added jpmc26 @TinyGiant I am talking about the contexts in which the magic link is not available, or when users simply choose not to use it. The magic link has no advantages over the old [mcve] magic link, which also got expanded.
May 23, 2019 at 15:03 comment added user4639281 "I am fairly certain people will just starting saying "MRE" without the link because typing it out is cumbersome" ... You posit that [mre] is sufficiently more cumbersome than mre such that people would be more likely to type the latter? I think that's nonsense.
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May 23, 2019 at 8:15 comment added DaveyDaveDave "I have never seen him actually adjust his opinion on something as a result of discussion" - here's a really good recent example of it that you might not have seen: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/385331/…
May 23, 2019 at 8:13 comment added jpmc26 @Magisch Far more likely is people will have to search for "MRE," which will not as readily lead to the SO page as MCVE did. If having a full URL is so important, why not just minimal-complete-verifiable-example? How does renaming it help with that? I only see downsides here, most of them already covered in the answer.
May 23, 2019 at 8:12 comment added Magisch @jpmc26 It means searching for it on google you'll get a full URL, and it will be the full URL in your browser. And as I said, nothing changes from the magic links, so Telling someone to type out such a long name will increase any aggravation they're experiencing. is quite a red herring, as most of the time someone will be pointed to it is via a link
May 23, 2019 at 8:11 comment added jpmc26 @Magisch The magic links already expanded to the full name before, so I really don't understand how it being a full phrase is actually a change. I am fairly certain people will just starting saying "MRE" without the link because typing it out is cumbersome (as I outlined in the answer). So again, no real change on the fronts you're talking about.
May 23, 2019 at 8:10 comment added Magisch re the "too long" section: old magic links will continue to work, and will properly expand into the full url in-browser, so that is not a concern.
May 23, 2019 at 8:09 comment added Magisch @jpmc26 The reasons I think this are the same that the OP post also lists. It's a complete sentence, e.g. does not require acronyms or knowing specific terms. "Minimal reproducible example" puts the focus where it needs to be, "complete" and "verifiable" are parts of reproducible and implicit in it. MCVE itself however many people know about it requires you to know the term, or guess at its resolution. "reproducing" as you suggested would also work I guess, but further changing it seems like bikeshedding (like I said above) to me. A full sentence is fine and easier to read then an abbrev.
May 23, 2019 at 8:07 comment added jpmc26 @Magisch In what way is it an upgrade? I've outlined my reasons why I think that is untrue. If you disagree, then you should provide reasons why you think it is.
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May 23, 2019 at 7:51 comment added Magisch I think there isn't a contest that "Minimal reproducible example" is a strict upgrade over just "mcve". No matter how many people know mcve, everyone who can understand english knows what a minimal reproducible example is. To the "you haven't demonstrated this is better then mcve" point, I don't think he needs to, this entire thing is bikeshedding and the new stuff is something we can all settle on without opening a whole new barrel of arguments.
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May 23, 2019 at 7:07 comment added jpmc26 @VLAZ The magic link gets expanded to a full name. This was the case with MCVE as well. I'll emphasize that I'm not a fan of changing to "MRCE." I just think it's less bad than anything else they're doing and meets the minor qualities both sides are shooting for. "Reproducible" is wrong word choice, though.
May 23, 2019 at 7:05 comment added VLAZ I don't really mind the longer link. In fact, I think I prefer it - if I hover over a link and it says /minimal-reproducible-example I get what it's about more than /mcve. It's more clear what the link is about. I also enjoy "mercy". However, I feel like I'm reaching semantic saturation with all the talk about what best expresses the MCVE idea. In particular, I don't like the "reproducing" because...it's not memorable enough. It could also be "reproducible" or even further "representative" or even "repeatable". Sure, they all work but it's hard to remember what it ACTUALLY stands for.
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May 23, 2019 at 7:01 comment added Greg Schmit +1 For putting "Complete" in the title. I was happy that it's got its own bolded section again, but yeah it should be in the title.
May 23, 2019 at 6:51 comment added jpmc26 @Lino There are short links because there were short links before that they didn't want to break and so felt compelled to leave the in place. Shog's response is saying that link is the best and preferred one, though.
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