Timeline for Declaring a Review strike until efficiency improvements are implemented
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May 25, 2019 at 18:20 | comment | added | Camilo Terevinto |
@JarrodRoberson Isn't that why everyone can vote since their birth? /s
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May 19, 2019 at 19:49 | comment | added | user10677470 | "if you empower a (small) group with strong opinions then you'll get further removed from consensus" this is a ridiculous logical fallacy. You get a concensus of those that are able to vote. Claiming it is not a consensus because there are those that are not allowed to vote because they have not earned the right to vote is illogical. It requires a consensus of how every many people that have earned the right to vote, plain and simple. If you want a consensus of the every question is sacred crowd, enjoy the same results as you get in the link. | |
May 18, 2019 at 17:52 | comment | added | JJJ |
@MartinTournoij just a comment, maybe there should be an extra option. In addition to close and leave open there could be leave open and up vote . You could even have that count as an extra leave open vote.
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May 18, 2019 at 13:42 | comment | added | ivan_pozdeev | @MartinTournoij The bias is intentional, to close borderline cases as substandard, on the assumption that there's enough influx of new questions to eventually get a better version of a closed one if it really is worth keeping around. | |
May 18, 2019 at 12:26 | comment | added | Martin Tournoij | Yes, but I don't think they will @ivan_pozdeev, as I mentioned the entire system is already very biased towards closing questions rather than keeping them open, and it's already hard to prevent a question from getting closed. This will only make that worse. Half the questions I see in the close vote review queue should IMHO very obviously remain open. The reason I'm tired of reviewing is because of that. | |
May 18, 2019 at 12:24 | comment | added | Félix Adriyel Gagnon-Grenier | Ok, maybe I misunderstand the spirit of your answer @Martin, but the statement "Voting is a democratic process. Giving some people more votes than others is not very democratic." (emphasis mine) clearly imply (to me) that you believe it should be a more democratic process, wherever you place the boundaries of that democratic endeavour. It should not. | |
May 18, 2019 at 12:23 | comment | added | Martin Tournoij |
Wikipedia is built upon it and it's there where it proved its merit Wikipedia is an interesting example @ivan_pozdeev, and I would argue it's very very far removed from a meritocracy. Instead, it's an "activeocracy": whoever is the most active wins. I can be 100% correct but if I don't feel like battling that one toxic Wikipedia editor then my changes are not going to stick. I'm not saying Wikipedia is all bad (like SO, it's hard to argue with its success), but IMHO it does have serious problems. I stopped contributing a long time ago as it was 25% writing articles and 75% bikesheds.
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May 18, 2019 at 12:22 | comment | added | ivan_pozdeev | "if you empower a (small) group with strong opinions then you'll get further removed from consensus" -- not if that group is more likely to produce concensual decisions than the general public. | |
May 18, 2019 at 12:20 | comment | added | Félix Adriyel Gagnon-Grenier | I do agree about the overall spectacular success and small changes having possible unexpected effects, which is why requests from user base are evaluated by the folks that make the site first (: | |
May 18, 2019 at 12:19 | comment | added | Martin Tournoij | I never claimed Stack Overflow as a whole is democratic @FélixGagnon-Grenier, I said that voting is and that there is an element of judgement involved. Applying the law also isn't democratic (you either broke it or you didn't), yet there are judges and jurors and all that to determine if someone broke the law. | |
May 18, 2019 at 12:18 | comment | added | Martin Tournoij |
the review system is designed to produce a concensus Yes, exactly @ivan_pozdeev, but if you empower a (small) group with strong opinions then you'll get further removed from consensus, especially since people who feel a question should remain opened can't do anything about it other than not casting a close vote. In cases of dispute, it's already the close-vote side who will have the upper hand.
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May 18, 2019 at 12:04 | comment | added | Félix Adriyel Gagnon-Grenier | This isn't a democracy @MartinTournoij. Nobody says it is, the sites guidelines do not imply it is, the way it's moderated do not imply it is. As for the people who dislike seeing questions being closed, they sure as hell don't care about the other side's viewpoint, so why should others do? | |
May 18, 2019 at 11:55 | comment | added | ivan_pozdeev | I edited my last comment. On your other statements, the review system is designed to produce a concensus. This is a different (and evidently more progressive) decision-making process than a majority vote. Wikipedia is built upon it and it's there where it proved its merit. | |
May 18, 2019 at 11:24 | comment | added | Martin Tournoij | I don't know what to think of the question wizard as such @YvetteColomb, I haven't looked at it closely. It's unlikely a panacea, but it does show that action is being taken. As for tantrum, perhaps my chief issue with the post (and the way it's written) is that it's completely ignoring there are many people who disagree with how many questions are closed in the first place and is attempting to force the SE team's hand by "striking". I don't think this will be effective at all, but I find this kind of attitude to be ... not great. | |
May 18, 2019 at 11:17 | comment | added | user3956566 | to call it a tantrum is unfair. People are tired and burnt out. It's a sign of how desperate people are that the question is upvoted and gaining attention. Aside from this I like many of your points. Although I think the question wizard will only fix so much | |
May 18, 2019 at 11:17 | comment | added | Martin Tournoij | If you're trying to suggest that people with more rep have more "merit" to close questions, then that is completely besides the point @ivan_pozdeev, and isn't really a reply to anything I've said in my answer (dumping a link is probably not the best way to have a constructive conversation). | |
May 18, 2019 at 11:09 | comment | added | ivan_pozdeev | en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meritocracy is grounds for giving more voting power to some who have proven themselves | |
May 18, 2019 at 11:08 | history | answered | Martin Tournoij | CC BY-SA 4.0 |