Timeline for Declaring a Review strike until efficiency improvements are implemented
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May 30, 2019 at 19:46 | comment | added | user4639281 | 99% of visits come from Google searches or other external links. The company doesn't care about the main page so long as Google is still providing relevant content to users searching. The only thing that I believe would change anything would be for it to go so far that Google stops suggesting Stack overflow results for Google searches. In which case it would already be far too late to fix anything. | |
May 30, 2019 at 18:25 | comment | added | user10677470 | "A full month of the people currently bearing the load moderating the site going on strike would most likely doom it completely from the overload of garbage that it would probably not be able to recover from." says nothing about reviews which I assume you mean the review queues which have been broken and ineffective for years, good to hear you admit as much. My comment was about the entire community stopping moderating, stopping voting period. But you can cherry pick your interpretation of things all you want, I stand by my prediction, I earned the nickname Cassandra for a reason. | |
May 30, 2019 at 17:50 | comment | added | Travis J | Let's also take into consideration, as noted previously, that a 15% increase in prevention due to features such as the Wizard will amount to the entirety of community moderation. So if there is a balance which seems off, then that is just clear evidence that there is less burden being placed. That doesn't seem to signal a death spiral to me, but to those who beat the drum daily of doom and despair, I can see how it may feel like that. | |
May 30, 2019 at 17:48 | comment | added | Travis J | "A full month of the people currently bearing the load moderating the site going on strike would most likely doom it completely from the overload of garbage that it would probably not be able to recover from." I laughed. Sorry, but this is laughable. The content removed from the queues tends to have <50 views on it. Roomba catches this content organically anyway. And Google certainly doesn't get tripped up by a no voted question with 0 answers... hint: you can tell from the views. While it is important to remove questions, it is not critical to the success of the site. | |
May 22, 2019 at 8:14 | comment | added | Rob Grant | @gnat I don't understand. What praise in the linked blog post are you referring to? | |
May 20, 2019 at 17:30 | comment | added | halfer | @JarrodRoberson: as you know, I'm keen to address issues around tone on Meta, and I don't take issue with your objection to some phraseology above that might get people's backs up. I agree that aiming for diplomatic communication where we have a community discussion is in itself a good thing. However, your short response to Tyler, admonishing him for his word choices, contains two sarcastic rejoinders ("But way to make your point" and "Good Luck with that"). I wonder, if you want Tyler to approach the discussion in a gentler fashion, whether this is appropriate. | |
May 20, 2019 at 16:03 | comment | added | Servy | @JarrodRoberson Plenty of old canonical questions get lots of Google traffic. Google already does at least a passable job of pointing people to the high quality older versions of a question than lower quality recent duplicates. That wouldn't change just because SO starts getting less new good questions, it just means people searching for issues those new questions would have answered won't get directed to SO by Google. | |
May 20, 2019 at 15:41 | comment | added | user10677470 | @Servy you are 100% correct "Keep in mind the majority of SO's revenue comes from people using Google to find various old high quality questions."* But you falied to mention that currently Google favors new content over old, because that is what makes Google the most money. A constant flood of crap questions that go un-answered, un-close voted to point to the duplicate or removed will just present people with 5 or so pages of useless "content" and will decimate the reputation that SO is the place to quickly find what you need. | |
May 20, 2019 at 15:37 | comment | added | user10677470 | @Servy - I said the same thing about read only mode like a year ago, but read only mode would prolong the site. If the torrent of garbage every hour was completely un-abated the site would drown in it's own signal to noise ratio because it relies solely on Google for its traffic. The internal search has been broken for a decade. They rely on Google exclusively for people to find what they need and see the ads. Add a couple hundred NPE questions with no answers and no duplicate closure to the [java] tag and it will make finding an actual answer impossible. | |
May 20, 2019 at 15:27 | comment | added | Servy | It's going to take a long time of no/little new quality content added to the site for the site to actually die. Even if the site went into read only mode today and stopped allowing new contributions, the site would be a major player in it's niche for years before it lacked enough important information or updates to not be a reliable source. | |
May 20, 2019 at 15:26 | comment | added | Servy | "A full month of the people currently bearing the load moderating the site going on strike would most likely doom it completely from the overload of garbage that it would probably not be able to recover from." Keep in mind the majority of SO's revenue comes from people using Google to find various old high quality questions. A month of much fewer new good questions added to that library isn't going to kill anything. The number of high quality questions making a notable impact on the greater repository of knowledge would be a pretty small percent of what's already there. | |
May 20, 2019 at 15:19 | comment | added | TylerH | @JarrodRoberson ad hominem is an attack on someone's person. Calling the post above a tantrum is a criticism of form and behavior. The two are different, and criticism is not inherently abusive. Have a nice day. | |
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May 20, 2019 at 11:27 | comment | added | gnat | @RobertGrant I don't understand your comment, does it mean that if they post a blog article once a year / month with words like "hats off to volunteer moderators, we need to do more to help them" and don't do anything else, that should keep community happy? | |
May 20, 2019 at 8:51 | comment | added | Rob Grant | @JarrodRoberson I don't understand this answer; was the praise of volunteer reviewers in this blog post not enough for you? | |
May 20, 2019 at 1:55 | comment | added | user10677470 | @TylerH - Using the word (tantrum) is just an ad hominem attack on the OP because you do not like their opinion. It is unkind at best and in my opinion passive aggressive abusive. But way to make your point and get them/us back on your side. Good Luck with that! | |
May 20, 2019 at 1:45 | comment | added | TylerH | Organizing is an entirely separate need, I think, @JarrodRoberson. Even if there were 1000 people maxing out their reviews every day and closing things organically (and a feature-rich review queue), there would still be folks who would want to organize. After all, we are a bunch of programmers, whose shared curse is that we always look at a situation and ask "how can we improve on this". Sorry to hear you are burnt out, but luckily I think there are plenty of us still there who are not and are willing to continue contributing curation in the face of things like OP's tantrum. | |
May 20, 2019 at 1:43 | comment | added | user10677470 |
@rene - I only mentioned SOCVR because it most likely what the most effective tool possible would look like and it is ineffective in the long run. If it is ineffective then the problem is not solvable given the current structure of the site. The fact that those that can and do CV get crapped on constantly because CV are not anonymous. Good Luck, but the participation, or lack thereof, in your room should be a wake up call to the powers that be. It is a good coal mine canary indicator for engagement in the rest of the site for sure.
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May 20, 2019 at 1:28 | comment | added | user10677470 |
"The SO Close Vote Review Chat Room is a group of like-minded people who want to make a difference in the CV queue, reviewing and clean-up efforts." sounds like a response to the failure of the CV queue and organic reviews ineffectiveness because people were not reviewing directed at making those that were voting at making a more of a difference. But whatever, SOCVR was like drinking from a firehose at the height of participation with a dozen or more of us of use burning all our CV every day. Now, it is even more futile with the less than a handful of people I see when I visit.
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May 19, 2019 at 19:50 | comment | added | rene | @JarrodRoberson SOCVR was not "a direct response" (I air-quoted "an solution" to make that connection) as you describe. I would appreciate if you stop portraying SOCVR as something it never was, had been or will be (assuming I have enough life left to prevent non-sense from happening). | |
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May 19, 2019 at 19:38 | comment | added | user10677470 | @rene - you are the only person to use the words "an solution" on the page so not sure where you are "quoting" that from. I said, "SOCVR was a direct response to organic reviews and the review queues failing to be effective because of lack of participation by those with the rep to actually take action." which is not inaccurate. Nobody but you claims anywhere on the page that it was "an solution" that I an see. | |
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May 19, 2019 at 16:29 | comment | added | rene | SOCVR was never meant as "an solution". That some / most users want to see it that way is fine with me. From our site The SO Close Vote Review Chat Room is a group of like-minded people who want to make a difference in the CV queue, reviewing and clean-up efforts. It is on purpose that it didn't define any clearer what that difference exactly would mean and I'm not planning on making it any more exact. The room is meant to meet-up with other reviewers, learn a bit about moderation, share experiences, have some fun. That is all there is in it, really. | |
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May 18, 2019 at 20:53 | comment | added | user10677470 | @Magisch - neverending and increasing. Entropy will completely overwhelm the site eventually if they do not do something drastic and immediately. I predicted that Documentation would be a flop for exactly the reason it failed and the main site is headed in the same direction for the exact same reason quality is no longer part of the Charter. Just a slower pace the last few years since the quality requirement was removed from the charter of the site. Since that has no longer been the goal of the site, the entropy has been increasing each year more and more. | |
May 18, 2019 at 12:03 | comment | added | ivan_pozdeev | The only solution to the "neverending stream of trash" is an arms race. Tools to fight it ever more efficiently. (I mean "tools" in the broad sense. E.g. "making right things easy, making wrong things hard" is just as good a tool.) | |
May 18, 2019 at 11:20 | comment | added | Magisch | SOCVR does feel like an exercise in futility, sometimes. It's part of why I don't frequent anymore, I just get reminded that the stream of trash is neverending. | |
May 18, 2019 at 11:10 | comment | added | user3956566 | I must admit my enthusiasm for the site has waned. I also spent time in the socvr and shared the same initial excitement for hope and then realised it was impossible. I'm so frustrated. Begging, asking, threatening, it doesn't seem to matter what we do as a community it is a low priority. Fixing the UX to assist in preventing low quality posts will never stop the problem, no UI is fool proof and that's more or less what we're dealing with. I get energy, make a push, send off emails and nothing changes. What's doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result? | |
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