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Jun 13, 2019 at 15:35 comment added Dennis T --Reinstate Monica-- @Cinderhaze, maybe half of them would be like that but there are still so many. E.g., 2nd q on the "definately" list is a good example. You can change "been sat here" to "been sitting", "i've" to "I’ve" and then the "definately" at the end. More than 6 chars and there’s still some left over: punctuation mistakes that I haven’t mentioned.
May 29, 2019 at 16:48 answer added David Gerst timeline score: 4
May 17, 2019 at 12:49 comment added Cinderhaze @DennisT - I have tried to do edits like that when initially building rep, but my edits were too short and couldn't be submitted....
May 16, 2019 at 23:51 comment added Dennis T --Reinstate Monica-- Perhaps we could suggest to new users that they search for posts containing commonly misspelled words and edit those. I searched for “definately”: 3,451 results! Usually such posts will have several other things that need to be fixed. That could at least get them past 10 rep. Wish I had thought of this when I started—took me at least a month to get past 10.
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May 16, 2019 at 21:43 answer added empty timeline score: -3
May 16, 2019 at 17:02 answer added BSMP timeline score: 5
May 16, 2019 at 15:52 answer added SE Does Not Like Dissent timeline score: 4
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May 16, 2019 at 14:14 comment added Michael come lately @LawrenceCherone The usage pattern you have to use to get to 100 rep (by which I mean FGITW) may be very different from the pattern a particular person would have if they reached 100 rep. It's easy to get discouraged and quit forever rather than churn out quick answers to bad questions, especially if your expertise is in low-traffic tags.
May 16, 2019 at 12:53 answer added SovietFrontier timeline score: 4
May 16, 2019 at 11:20 comment added Lawrence Cherone It's not hard to get 100 rep, people who cant obviously SO is not for them... stackoverflow.com/users/9518140/icannowcomment?tab=profile
May 16, 2019 at 10:53 answer added Christian timeline score: -3
May 16, 2019 at 5:17 comment added CinCout "...any quotes I’ve included here have been paraphrased." Don't call them quotes then.
May 16, 2019 at 4:50 comment added samthebrand This is a great post Donna. Makes me less afraid to publicize results of qual research!
May 15, 2019 at 23:03 answer added Peilonrayz timeline score: 4
May 15, 2019 at 21:32 comment added Donna StaffMod @DaveyDaveDave — sometimes we conduct research to compensate for areas where we don’t have a lot of visibility, like I mentioned in the post. We have a pretty good preliminary idea of how higher rep users feel about with reputation thanks to places to Meta. That being said, were we to start thinking about changes to reputation, we would still step back and conduct more extensive research with all affected user groups, including high rep folks.
May 15, 2019 at 20:11 comment added Cinderhaze I've only recently bumped over the 200 rep threshold which allowed me to gain the 'base' 100 rep in other communities. I was trying to suggest edits to other people's answers to gain rep, but usually a single typo in a question was too small to submit. That was discouraging from an engagement point of view. - Unrelated, I also was very active in puppet's (now deprecated) ask.puppet.com, as one of the top contributors to their self-hosted stackoverflow. I wish there was some way to get my contributions and expertise to transfer over to SO proper...
May 15, 2019 at 17:38 answer added Samuel Hulla timeline score: 17
May 15, 2019 at 14:39 comment added Michael come lately Here's my five-year-old answer to @Donna's questions. :-)
May 15, 2019 at 13:00 comment added Magisch It's probably not an exaggeration to say that I've asked 20 times more questions then I've ever answered on SO, although only less then 10 of those made it to a post. I do get help and immeasurable time saved daily from this site via looking at answers, though.
May 15, 2019 at 12:53 comment added cmm I agree with optimizing answers over questions. I was a frequent contributor of answers on Quora before they started paying money for questions. Suddenly I understood why it was flooded by stupid questions. Like others, I implicitly ask questions on SO several times a day by googling my question. Much of the time the important answer is found on a Stack Overflow site. If you check me out, I am a lower reputation user, but I consider myself to be pretty active on SO, and interested in the success of this model.
May 15, 2019 at 12:49 comment added Jeremy Banks Most of the time I try to write posts that will be useful for the long term, and am happy to wait years for the thank-you upvotes to slowly come in. Understandably, that approach might not be appealing for users who are working for their first privilidges. I'm also getting slightly back into rep hunting mindset now that 100k is attainable, but that's still like two years away. And then I can pour all my future rep into bounties.
May 15, 2019 at 12:30 comment added Magisch @RiftValleySoftware Thats a big issue I have myself with the system, as said above. I love digging in to solve a problem, but I'm not really that expert at quick thinking and at the start of my career. It's dampening to be beat to the punch on an easy question by someone with 5 times your experience and then being told you're duplicating their answer. I can relate. It's why I primarily like to do novel and/or background contribution stuff these days.
May 15, 2019 at 12:28 comment added Chris Marshall @Magisch Good points. In some ways, I have a great deal of valuable stuff to contribute. However, I'm not particularly interested in competing for the brass ring. This site rewards competition; not cooperation.
May 15, 2019 at 12:26 comment added Magisch convinced that it can be any other way without making the experts leave, which in turn will cause the askers to also leave because what use is a Q/A site where nobody will answer your question. It's a fact of the inherent power imbalance between the people providing (answers) and the people wanting (answers) when no money is involved. It's akin to going to the github of an OS author and asking for a feature. You'll be regarded as less important than than the author for the very same reason, which expresses itself in differences on how you're treated and what's expected from you
May 15, 2019 at 12:26 comment added Magisch The reason it got this way to start is that getting enough questions is automatic and easy. Questions and their askers are a dime a dozen. Actual experts willing to answer these questions are not. SO has built its success primarily on the face of catering to the experts solving questions to a wide enough degree that they choose this platform over another to answer on. You're probably right, it's pretty cruel that the general attitude and reality of asking is "You're one of already too many, so better put your best foot forward", while it's nothing like that for answers. I'm just not
May 15, 2019 at 12:24 comment added Chris Marshall @Magisch I'm not making a case against anything. I am saying that it's disappointing to encounter some of the cruelty that I see on other sites, but I guess that can't be helped. At least the SO ToS means that they use nicer words, but I was brought up by a British mum, so I have a great deal of experience with people using advanced and eloquent vocabulary to slice other people apart. Like I said, in the aggregate, things are fine here, but I will bring up "why can't we just be civil to each other" whenever I get the chance.
May 15, 2019 at 12:17 comment added Magisch @RiftValleySoftware Sounds like you're making a case against the "Optimizing for pearls, not sand" principle (i.E questions are plentyful but answers need to be optimized for). That principle is the reason why questions are decidedly second class citizens to answers, i.E why upvotes on them are worth half as much, or why downvoting them is free.
May 15, 2019 at 12:12 comment added Magisch re: Rep and Helping others. If I had a reliable way to find a question that a) isn't answered & accepted by the time I finish working on an answer and b) is interesting enough and answerable and c) not a duplicate, I'd answer a lot more, like daily. Unfortunately, in the tags I have expertise in none such exist.
May 15, 2019 at 11:45 answer added Thomas timeline score: 1
May 15, 2019 at 11:31 comment added Giorgi Moniava what motivates: rep & helping others
May 15, 2019 at 11:20 comment added Chris Marshall I like to think of myself as a good citizen. I treat people with kindness and professionalism; even if they don't do the same to me. Some folks will interpret a simple inflexible boundary as "arrogance," and I can't do anything to help that, but I feel that it's important for me to model the behavior I would like to see in others. My behavior has almost nothing to do with yours. I keep my own score, and I do, in fact, help a LOT of folks. It's that this isn't the venue in which I do that. I remain eternally grateful to this site, and evryone in it, for the excellent help that I get.
May 15, 2019 at 11:18 comment added Chris Marshall I cannot emphasize enough the need for patience, kindness and empathy. These are traits that we all need to cultivate. Those of us old enough to remember The September That Never Ended can remember the Internets going down the tubes; but what most folks don't like to admit, is that the ones that posted the most vile stuff were the experienced folks that already "lived" in the Internet. Everyone likes to say that it was the "flood of n00bs" that destroyed the Internet, but I think it was the current residents that became the first trolls.
May 15, 2019 at 11:15 comment added Chris Marshall ...and one more thing. As I'm working on shipping software, time is a definite coefficient. I'm frequently in a "blocker" situation, or in one where I need to get the final design in place ASAP. In these cases, I need the answer QUICKLY. 99% of the time, a simple Google will give me the SO answer I need, but sometimes (often, when there's a bug in the tools), I need to be sure.
May 15, 2019 at 11:11 comment added Andras Deak -- Слава Україні @MarkAmery yeah, I guess downvotes would be more problematic. I figured votes could be cast at the time of the user reaching the threshold. Oh well.
May 15, 2019 at 11:10 comment added Chris Marshall @Trilarion I understand perfectly. I run a fairly intense open-source project that caters to folks with a less-developed tech baseline. I'm constantly asked to do things in code that can be answered with "do it in CSS." So now, when I answer, I always say "IT Support. Have you tried turning it off and then on again?"
May 15, 2019 at 11:08 comment added Mark Amery @AndrasDeak You get 15 votes soon enough if you're actively posting. But unusual users will exist; if I've silently upvoted thousands of posts at 1 rep, and then finally post something myself and get upvoted, does a huge rep injection happen instantly? Are the votes back-dated, maybe drastically changing users' rep graphs retroactively, or do lots of users instantly hit the 200-rep-per-day threshold? Also, what if I've downvoted hundreds of answers before hitting 125 rep? Does my rep get smashed back down to 1 the moment they become ":real" downvotes and I pay the rep tax for each of them?
May 15, 2019 at 11:07 comment added Chris Marshall @APC Fair 'nuff. I'm obviously in a lesser demographic, then. I find that I still need to ask a question, every now and then. I have a LOT of them. Like I said, though, it's a bit galling to be treated shabbily. I won't do that to anyone else; and one reason is that ol' "mile in a moccasins" thing. My being in a lesser demographic gives me empathy towards folks in that demographic. I know what it's like to be patronized by kids half my age, with half my experience. But if they have valuable stuff to say, I'll still listen to them.
May 15, 2019 at 10:53 comment added APC @RiftValleySoftware - "MOST... high-rep people have less than 20 questions. A number have 0. I consider that problematic". As a member of that demographic I want to say that I ask SO for solutions all the time. The thing is, I use search (or Google) to find answers. Isn't that a form of listening? Still I look forward to the day when the SO hivemind hasn't already answered a question I want to ask.
May 15, 2019 at 10:34 comment added DaveyDaveDave "We conducted 1:1 user interviews with recently active Stack Overflow users with <=100 reputation" seems to conflict with "Also, note that we consider users of all reputation levels to be important parts of the Stack Overflow". How many 1:1 interviews did you conduct with higher-rep users?
May 15, 2019 at 10:34 comment added Andras Deak -- Слава Україні @MarkAmery why would the former be a problem? They were going to vote on the content anyway. And you get 15 rep soon enough if you're active, so it's not like your "old clueless votes" suddenly become real. You won't be that much more experienced in what to upvote when you reach 15.
May 15, 2019 at 10:21 comment added Mark Amery @Jeremy "It would be nice if upvotes from sub-15-rep felt more like real upvotes: keeping the vote button marked for that user" - and then what happens when they reach 15 rep? Do their old votes become real votes? Or does the vote button revert to its unclicked appearance at that point? Both would perhaps be slightly problematic in their own ways.
May 15, 2019 at 9:48 comment added NoDataDumpNoContribution @RiftValleySoftware The problem with the "anything goes" approach is that it doesn't work. Allow any kind of question and you won't get any anwsers anymore. The amount of time time I need to sort out the garbage question and find answerable ones is already putting me off. There is value in insisting on high quality questions.
May 15, 2019 at 8:57 comment added Chris Marshall I could definitely contribute a lot of answers, and rack up a fairly impressive score, if I wanted to, but that’s not why I come here. It is a bit galling to be sneered at by people who are deeply invested in a subject, but I don’t mind too much, as long as I get the answer I need. Just my $0.02.
May 15, 2019 at 8:55 comment added Chris Marshall Can’t say it’s entirely wrong, as “Do my homework” is annoying and noisy, but I don’t come here to answer. I come to ask. Most times, my question is answered before I ask, but sometimes, I have a particular issue that I know how to solve, but I want to solve better. I can get some extremely valuable insight here, and deeply appreciate the site.
May 15, 2019 at 8:51 comment added Chris Marshall There’s a meta post somewhere, that is often referenced, something like “when should I ask a question?”, and the accepted answer is “almost never.” In my opinion, that’s an issue. It exposes the mindset that people that ask questions are “less than,” and shows actual contempt for those that ask, as opposed to answer.
May 15, 2019 at 8:48 comment added Chris Marshall This site rewards broadcasting, and actually penalizes receiving. I can’t speak for anyone else, but I come here to get work done. When I ask a question, it’s because I have an actual, shipping project I’m working on, and need to find the best solution to a specific issue. This site is incredibly valuable to me, because I can get orthogonal points of view in solving my dilemma.
May 15, 2019 at 8:44 comment added Chris Marshall Don’t think I want to post an answer, but I’ll stick my oar in for the heck of it. Things are moving towards an unsustainable model, where everyone speaks, and no one listens. MOST (not SOME -MOST) high-rep people have less than 20 questions. A number have 0. I consider that problematic.
May 15, 2019 at 7:15 answer added Luuklag timeline score: 7
May 15, 2019 at 4:29 comment added Stephen Rauch Mod If they do not need to learn new patterns, then there is no difference. If there is no difference, then SO is facebook. No?
May 14, 2019 at 23:12 answer added hewiefreeman timeline score: -2
May 14, 2019 at 22:15 comment added Donna StaffMod @TylerH I think that’s part of it. Another part is that people’s expectations about how to use features like commenting and voting are set by patterns on the rest of the web. So when, for example, we have very specific rules about how to comment that diverges from patterns that users have come to expect from sites like, say, Facebook, we have to consider the costs/benefits of that divergence, and if there’s a way to achieve the result we want without necessarily requiring users to learn new patterns when they come here.
May 14, 2019 at 22:02 comment added Jeremy Banks It would be nice if upvotes from sub-15-rep felt more like real upvotes: keeping the vote button marked for that user (even if the score doesn't go up), instead of instantly undoing it and pushing back. You could also consider showing anonymous vote counts to the posts' author (while keeping them hidden in general) so users who just want to say "thank you" have a satisfying way to do so.
May 14, 2019 at 20:41 answer added jpmc26 timeline score: 74
May 14, 2019 at 20:22 comment added TylerH "I would say things like ‘I did this and it worked.’ It’s a contribution" It sounds like we need to do a better job of teaching users to contribute such 'me too's as upvotes rather than comments. The latter are not actually worthwhile contributions (if that quote's actually verbatim what the user would say).
May 14, 2019 at 20:01 comment added Donna StaffMod Thanks @DanBron! We have some upcoming research that dives into the expert/teacher perspective about how folks are learning to code. This probably won’t dive into your specific questions in granular detail, but it might still be interesting to you. I’ll see about sharing these findings for our next research post.
May 14, 2019 at 19:34 answer added Travis J timeline score: 18
May 14, 2019 at 18:31 comment added Dan Bron Can you do the next one on what makes a question interesting for long-time users, how they find such questions, and how we might encourage more of them?
May 14, 2019 at 17:57 answer added CoderJoe timeline score: 19
May 14, 2019 at 17:52 answer added Dan Bron timeline score: 46
May 14, 2019 at 17:38 answer added Script47 timeline score: 85
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