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I think you are overlooking the cultural aspect.

There is, I'm sure, enough coverage on the 'Net about the ".nix" culture that I don't have to go into detail describing it here, but I want to point out that sed, along with awk, bash, et. al, are all "hacker tools from a hacker culture". Surely you are aware of this.

If not most, then certainly a large majority, of the users that watch the tag learned to use sed according the norms of that culture. Which is to say, if you want to learn how to use sed, you gather up the man pages, and fire up the terminal and bang on it until you have it figured out. That's how they learned it, and that's how they expect others to learn it. So a "give me teh codez" question about sed is met with virtually instant disapproval, based on "Lack of Effort".

And yes, regex started out the same way, as a Unix tool. But once it escaped to Perl and Tcl, it was more or less "kidnapped" by the cultures of the scripting- and higher-level language programmers. There are a lot more users that watch the tag from those other cultures, so these kinds of questions receive a warmer welcome.

This is, of course, not to say that one culture is better than another, but only to observe that they are significantly different. And ideally, all questions should be treated objectively the same way, based on the same objective criteria. But we're dealing with people, not ideals. There is no "formal process" that will change someone's cultural outlook.

And, as Hans Passant points out in comments, the tag has a very high answer rate, so there are very likely to be several cultural factors at work. The tag has a very high The answer rate, which could conceivably be due to many questions in that tag being easy to answer, so they get answered by new users looking to gain reputation, who are perhaps not as steeped in "hacker" culture. I cannot imagine a "formal process" that would alter their behavior, either.

I think you are overlooking the cultural aspect.

There is, I'm sure, enough coverage on the 'Net about the ".nix" culture that I don't have to go into detail describing it here, but I want to point out that sed, along with awk, bash, et. al, are all "hacker tools from a hacker culture". Surely you are aware of this.

If not most, then certainly a large majority, of the users that watch the tag learned to use sed according the norms of that culture. Which is to say, if you want to learn how to use sed, you gather up the man pages, and fire up the terminal and bang on it until you have it figured out. That's how they learned it, and that's how they expect others to learn it. So a "give me teh codez" question about sed is met with virtually instant disapproval, based on "Lack of Effort".

And yes, regex started out the same way, as a Unix tool. But once it escaped to Perl and Tcl, it was more or less "kidnapped" by the cultures of the scripting- and higher-level language programmers. There are a lot more users that watch the tag from those other cultures, so these kinds of questions receive a warmer welcome.

This is, of course, not to say that one culture is better than another, but only to observe that they are significantly different. And ideally, all questions should be treated objectively the same way, based on the same objective criteria. But we're dealing with people, not ideals. There is no "formal process" that will change someone's cultural outlook.

And, as Hans Passant points out in comments, there are very likely to be several cultural factors at work. The tag has a very high answer rate, which could conceivably be due to many questions in that tag being easy to answer, so they get answered by new users looking to gain reputation, who are perhaps not as steeped in "hacker" culture. I cannot imagine a "formal process" that would alter their behavior, either.

I think you are overlooking the cultural aspect.

There is, I'm sure, enough coverage on the 'Net about the ".nix" culture that I don't have to go into detail describing it here, but I want to point out that sed, along with awk, bash, et. al, are all "hacker tools from a hacker culture". Surely you are aware of this.

If not most, then certainly a large majority, of the users that watch the tag learned to use sed according the norms of that culture. Which is to say, if you want to learn how to use sed, you gather up the man pages, and fire up the terminal and bang on it until you have it figured out. That's how they learned it, and that's how they expect others to learn it. So a "give me teh codez" question about sed is met with virtually instant disapproval, based on "Lack of Effort".

And yes, regex started out the same way, as a Unix tool. But once it escaped to Perl and Tcl, it was more or less "kidnapped" by the cultures of the scripting- and higher-level language programmers. There are a lot more users that watch the tag from those other cultures, so these kinds of questions receive a warmer welcome.

This is, of course, not to say that one culture is better than another, but only to observe that they are significantly different. And ideally, all questions should be treated objectively the same way, based on the same objective criteria. But we're dealing with people, not ideals. There is no "formal process" that will change someone's cultural outlook.

And, as Hans Passant points out in comments, the tag has a very high answer rate, so there are very likely to be several cultural factors at work. The answer rate could conceivably be due to many questions in that tag being easy to answer, so they get answered by new users looking to gain reputation, who are perhaps not as steeped in "hacker" culture. I cannot imagine a "formal process" that would alter their behavior, either.

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I think you are overlooking the cultural aspect.

There is, I'm sure, enough coverage on the 'Net about the ".nix" culture that I don't have to go into detail describing it here, but I want to point out that sed, along with awk, bash, et. al, are all "hacker tools from a hacker culture". Surely you are aware of this.

If not most, then certainly a large majority, of the users that watch the tag learned to use sed according the norms of that culture. Which is to say, if you want to learn how to use sed, you gather up the man pages, and fire up the terminal and bang on it until you have it figured out. That's how they learned it, and that's how they expect others to learn it. So a "give me teh codez" question about sed is met with virtually instant disapproval, based on "Lack of Effort".

And yes, regex started out the same way, as a Unix tool. But once it escaped to Perl and Tcl, it was more or less "kidnapped" by the cultures of the scripting- and higher-level language programmers. There are a lot more users that watch the tag from those other cultures, so these kinds of questions receive a warmer welcome.

This is, of course, not to say that one culture is better than another, but only to observe that they are significantly different. And ideally, all questions should be treated objectively the same way, based on the same objective criteria. But we're dealing with people, not ideals. There is no "formal process" that will change someone's cultural outlook.

And, as Hans Passant points out in comments, there are very likely to be several cultural factors at work. The tag has a very high answer rate, which could conceivably be due to many questions in that tag being easy to answer, so they get answered by new users looking to gain reputation, who are perhaps not as steeped in "hacker" culture. I cannot imagine a "formal process" that would alter their behavior, either.

I think you are overlooking the cultural aspect.

There is, I'm sure, enough coverage on the 'Net about the ".nix" culture that I don't have to go into detail describing it here, but I want to point out that sed, along with awk, bash, et. al, are all "hacker tools from a hacker culture". Surely you are aware of this.

If not most, then certainly a large majority, of the users that watch the tag learned to use sed according the norms of that culture. Which is to say, if you want to learn how to use sed, you gather up the man pages, and fire up the terminal and bang on it until you have it figured out. That's how they learned it, and that's how they expect others to learn it. So a "give me teh codez" question about sed is met with virtually instant disapproval, based on "Lack of Effort".

And yes, regex started out the same way, as a Unix tool. But once it escaped to Perl and Tcl, it was more or less "kidnapped" by the cultures of the scripting- and higher-level language programmers. There are a lot more users that watch the tag from those other cultures, so these kinds of questions receive a warmer welcome.

This is, of course, not to say that one culture is better than another, but only to observe that they are significantly different. And ideally, all questions should be treated objectively the same way, based on the same objective criteria. But we're dealing with people, not ideals. There is no "formal process" that will change someone's cultural outlook.

I think you are overlooking the cultural aspect.

There is, I'm sure, enough coverage on the 'Net about the ".nix" culture that I don't have to go into detail describing it here, but I want to point out that sed, along with awk, bash, et. al, are all "hacker tools from a hacker culture". Surely you are aware of this.

If not most, then certainly a large majority, of the users that watch the tag learned to use sed according the norms of that culture. Which is to say, if you want to learn how to use sed, you gather up the man pages, and fire up the terminal and bang on it until you have it figured out. That's how they learned it, and that's how they expect others to learn it. So a "give me teh codez" question about sed is met with virtually instant disapproval, based on "Lack of Effort".

And yes, regex started out the same way, as a Unix tool. But once it escaped to Perl and Tcl, it was more or less "kidnapped" by the cultures of the scripting- and higher-level language programmers. There are a lot more users that watch the tag from those other cultures, so these kinds of questions receive a warmer welcome.

This is, of course, not to say that one culture is better than another, but only to observe that they are significantly different. And ideally, all questions should be treated objectively the same way, based on the same objective criteria. But we're dealing with people, not ideals. There is no "formal process" that will change someone's cultural outlook.

And, as Hans Passant points out in comments, there are very likely to be several cultural factors at work. The tag has a very high answer rate, which could conceivably be due to many questions in that tag being easy to answer, so they get answered by new users looking to gain reputation, who are perhaps not as steeped in "hacker" culture. I cannot imagine a "formal process" that would alter their behavior, either.

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Mark Benningfield
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I think you are overlooking the cultural aspect.

There is, I'm sure, enough coverage on the 'Net about the ".nix" culture that I don't have to go into detail describing it here, but I want to point out that sed, along with awk, bash, et. al, are all "hacker tools from a hacker culture". Surely you are aware of this.

If not most, then certainly a large majority, of the users that watch the tag learned to use sed according the norms of that culture. Which is to say, if you want to learn how to use sed, you gather up the man pages, and fire up the terminal and bang on it until you have it figured out. That's how they learned it, and that's how they expect others to learn it. So a "give me teh codez" question about sed is met with virtually instant disapproval, based on "Lack of Effort".

And yes, regex started out the same way, as a Unix tool. But once it escaped to Perl and Tcl, it was more or less "kidnapped" by the cultures of the scripting- and higher-level language programmers. There are a lot more users that watch the tag from those other cultures, so these kinds of questions receive a warmer welcome.

This is, of course, not to say that one culture is better than another, but only to observe that they are significantly different. And ideally, all questions should be treated objectively the same way, based on the same objective criteria. But we're dealing with people, not ideals. There is no "formal process" that will change someone's cultural outlook.