Timeline for Possible old plagiarism detected?
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May 7, 2019 at 16:47 | comment | added | Stuart Marks | @gnat You’re right, something’s definitely up here. I checked a few more of the poster’s questions and several seemed to be mined from the JDK bug database. Note in particular this Q&A where poster says “to be very frank i am not actual author of the code below, found this on some coding blog while reading about concurrent hashmap so would like to share with every one else.” So poster acknowledges copying but in fact is not very frank about its origin. | |
May 7, 2019 at 6:15 | comment | added | gnat | @StuartMarks agree these are not as blatant as your example. Still, I see large chunks of content copied without a reference to the original source. Also agree that dates and user names in JDK bug tracker strongly indicate that it is not written by the asker | |
May 6, 2019 at 22:02 | comment | added | Cody Gray Mod | @Stuart It's extremely unlikely that moderators would have responded to a private flag by removing the question. That would be destructive of valuable content, which is something that we try very hard to avoid. | |
May 6, 2019 at 21:13 | comment | added | Stuart Marks | @gnat The questions you linked to are indeed similar to the bug reports, but it's not as conclusive as this one. Perhaps the poster saw the bug reports and was confused about the way they were resolved. Ideally they would have linked to the bug reports, but not everybody is scrupulous about doing so. Also, I checked the bugs' submitters (information not available publicly) and the bugs were submitted by different people, so it's unlikely the SO poster submitted the bug reports. | |
May 6, 2019 at 21:06 | vote | accept | Stuart Marks | ||
May 6, 2019 at 21:06 | comment | added | Stuart Marks | Thanks, this is all very sensible. I think the public discussion is useful and has illuminated a number of different angles. If it had been handled completely privately, and (say) the question was simply removed, I'd have been sad. | |
May 6, 2019 at 12:29 | comment | added | xdtTransform | The forgery is strong with this one. Paying close attention to the details, in order to craft lookalike. I feel like partial plagiat in many question. At this point, I don't know if I'm bias and unable to recognised Op writing style. | |
May 6, 2019 at 12:08 | comment | added | gnat | @user202729 I simply checked that both contain the phrase with identical wording "Here the try block can't complete normally but the catch block can as well as the finally block" | |
May 6, 2019 at 12:06 | comment | added | user202729 | @gnat Not very sure about the dead code java question, anyone making a MCVE would end up with something roughly like that anyway. The text are different. | |
May 6, 2019 at 11:51 | comment | added | user202729 | @angussidney The answer is original content... | |
May 6, 2019 at 11:27 | comment | added | Ian Kemp | What we really need to do is nuke this user and convert all their content to Community Wiki as @angussidney suggested. | |
May 6, 2019 at 10:33 | comment | added | Braiam | Have any of you stopped to ask Jon Skeet what to do? He's the original author anyways. | |
May 6, 2019 at 10:05 | comment | added | angussidney | Would an option be to make the question a community wiki? That way the user doesn't recieve any reputation from the post, but will still have it attributed to them? | |
May 6, 2019 at 9:04 | comment | added | gnat | wonder if this user plagiarized some of their other posts. I don't have time nor desire to check all of their 190+ questions but sampling few of them suggests that it can be the case indeed. For example I think this one very heavily borrows from JDK-8193860 and this one from JDK-8062801 and there is no attribution | |
May 5, 2019 at 14:02 | comment | added | Mark Amery | @Knu Even if they are, using that power wouldn't make sense here. I'm not sure if you really meant switching the author of the answer (given it's the question that was plagiarised), but it'd be wrong either way; Jon Skeet did not write the question or the answer, and so any attribution of it to him would be false. In the case of the question, it'd also make Skeet look demented (why is he asking the community to explain to him something he explained clearly in his own blog post?) and in the case of the answer, it'd unfairly strip credit for the answer from its entirely innocent author. | |
May 4, 2019 at 22:32 | comment | added | Knu | Are admins able to switch the author of the answer? Skeet has an account fortunately, it's just a matter of transferring the ownership. | |
May 4, 2019 at 8:02 | history | edited | Tonio Liebrand | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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May 3, 2019 at 19:52 | comment | added | Jeremy Banks | Fair enough. In this particular case, I doubt Jon is likely to object and send a DMCA request. | |
May 3, 2019 at 19:47 | comment | added | Cody Gray Mod | @Jeremy I agree, but have a different view on “the easy thing”. My view of the easy thing is to make the content available in good faith, with clear and unambiguous attribution to the original source. I believe that this is consistent with the doctrine of fair use, but with the obvious excuse that we’re not lawyers and do not enforce copyright law. In other words, I prefer to err on the side of making useful content available in an appropriate form, as opposed to being an agent of DMCA censorship. | |
May 3, 2019 at 19:44 | comment | added | Jeremy Banks | I'm not a fan of how often the community uses the "we're not lawyers" excuse in cases where the law is simple and unambiguous. We're not Stack Exchange Inc; there's no legal liability if we chose to do the easy thing and follow the law rather than throwing up our hands. | |
May 3, 2019 at 19:21 | comment | added | Cody Gray Mod | No, @Tiny, we don't do that. We're not lawyers; we don't judge license violations. See my previous comment. Plagiarism is a different issue altogether. | |
May 3, 2019 at 19:18 | comment | added | user4639281 | Has anyone verified that the original license for the document is compatible with cc-by-sa? I haven't been able to find a license attached to the original content, so it appears to be all rights reserved. | |
May 3, 2019 at 18:26 | comment | added | Cody Gray Mod | Dissociation breaks the connection between the user and the post, unlike deletion. So, yes, it removes all rep gained, regardless of the age of the post. @psubsee2003 | |
May 3, 2019 at 18:22 | comment | added | psubsee2003 | Disassociation will remove all of the rep gained? That 60 day threshold doesn't apply? | |
May 3, 2019 at 18:13 | comment | added | Cody Gray Mod | Right, that's why attribution and proper use of blockquote formatting is so important. It makes clear what portions of the content are the original authors, and thus licensed under CC by-SA, and which portions are the property of someone else. Moderators don't enforce legal issues; if Jon (or anyone else) wants to issue a takedown notice, they can do that here or though other channels. | |
May 3, 2019 at 18:11 | comment | added | Servy | It doesn't really matter how useful the copied content is, SO doesn't have the right to host the content at all, since the person who posted it didn't have the right to apply the CC-wiki license to it. | |
May 3, 2019 at 18:05 | comment | added | Cody Gray Mod | I think it is sufficiently clear. This isn't designed as a how-to guide for new moderators, but rather an insight for general community members on how we handle plagiarized content. | |
May 3, 2019 at 18:05 | comment | added | Laurel | OK, you might want to clarify this when you say "Normally, we delete plagiarized content..." | |
May 3, 2019 at 18:04 | comment | added | Cody Gray Mod | Yes, @Laurel, that's correct. In such cases, we still ask for dissociation, even if the post is deleted. | |
May 3, 2019 at 18:04 | comment | added | Laurel | The question/answer are over 60 days old and score more than 3, so wouldn't the rep be kept if it was deleted? (As per the FAQ). | |
May 3, 2019 at 17:55 | history | answered | Cody GrayMod | CC BY-SA 4.0 |