Timeline for Why does StackOverflow allow frivolous edits?
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May 7, 2020 at 23:54 | comment | added | GMc | I have an example of what I consider to be a frivolous edit: stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/26051659 The only change was to remove a small amount of whitespace (e.g. change my indent from 4 spaces to 2 and remove a space from "if (" to "if(" and similar. This seems like a frivolous edit to me. As per the answer, below, it is difficult for me to see how removing 8-10 space characters from a post as the only change "substantially improves the post" and yet it was accepted by 2 other users on my behalf! | |
Mar 23, 2019 at 4:07 | vote | accept | perennial_noob | ||
Mar 23, 2019 at 4:06 | history | edited | perennial_noob | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
Rounding up from the comments to add clarity to the question and the details.
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Mar 23, 2019 at 2:53 | answer | added | Tyl | timeline score: 4 | |
Mar 23, 2019 at 2:49 | answer | added | Carcigenicate | timeline score: 13 | |
Mar 23, 2019 at 0:48 | answer | added | Nicol Bolas | timeline score: 15 | |
Mar 23, 2019 at 0:45 | comment | added | Nicol Bolas |
@perennial_noob: "if the question/answer made sense, then , , or markdowns can wait." Wait for what, exactly? How is the post improved by waiting to improve it? "how can we claim that the edit preserves the intent?" Formatting and presentation is not intent.
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Mar 23, 2019 at 0:43 | comment | added | perennial_noob |
@NicolBolas - I am for edits! But I guess my point is that in the zeal (my guess to earn points or visibility or not sure what) editors jump onto it in a matter of seconds/minutes. There perhaps isn't a trivial way to identify how trivial the edits are. SO has a worldwide presence. And surely everyone doesn't have the same way of expressing themselves. In general, if the question/answer made sense, then , , or markdowns can wait. Also, how can we claim that the edit preserves the intent? Or how is "Will not" to "Won't", for ex, necessary? I appreciate everyone's patience in this discussion!
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Mar 23, 2019 at 0:35 | comment | added | Nicol Bolas | @perennial_noob: Or let me put it another way. We don't want people editing posts in a way that changes the intent of the post. Fixing formatting (using an actual Markdown numeric list when that's clearly what you were trying to do, for example) and correcting grammar are exactly the kinds of things that edits should be doing. Take those away, and there's pretty much no reason to allow anyone to edit posts other than their own. | |
Mar 23, 2019 at 0:32 | comment | added | Nicol Bolas | @perennial_noob: "I want to report this edit -" There's nothing to report. The user in question has earned the right to edit posts without review. Now yes, their edit was bad, but only because it removed information from your answer. But you fixed that by rolling it back. The capitalization and formatting fixes? Those were perfectly valid uses of his editing privileges. | |
Mar 23, 2019 at 0:32 | comment | added | perennial_noob | Are grammatical corrections and formatting issues that critical? It looks like a way to be a quick draw on edits by others is to keep a keen eye on the rolling stream of new questions and look to 'edit' formats and grammatical errors. In the recent link, the editor changed the capitalization in a bullet list. It was not even a paragraph. How are these edits important. They are meaningless fluff adding no value to the question nor the answer. For a platform that insists on answers adding value these edits are useless. | |
Mar 23, 2019 at 0:28 | comment | added | Cody Gray Mod | The problem seems to be that you post something with intentions of continuing to edit it. That's not really the way it's supposed to work. How am I, as a potential editor, supposed to know that I need to wait longer for you to get your posted edited into shape before I fix grammar and formatting issues? If you plan to post as quickly as possible, then edit, you're bound to run into editor conflicts. | |
Mar 23, 2019 at 0:22 | comment | added | perennial_noob |
Darn it! So I misunderstood it then. It was confusing. I thought approve meant to approve my change overriding the edit suggestion. Here is a new one. This is what boils my blood. It actually overwrote an important edit I was already making. I want to report this edit - stackoverflow.com/posts/55309348/revisions
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Mar 23, 2019 at 0:13 | comment | added | Ivar | @perennial_noob It's already possible to reject edits, but in your case it wasn't because it was already rejected. If you look at the edit you can see that it already was rejected automatically by the Community user due to your previous (conflicting) edit. You as the post owner have the ability to overrule that decision which is what you did by approving it. You could've just ignored the suggestion. | |
Mar 23, 2019 at 0:08 | comment | added | perennial_noob | It seems like there is an agreement over how unnecessary and painful these are. Should this be a feature request tag then? That is: Provide an ability to reject edits or disable edits of certain formats? | |
Mar 23, 2019 at 0:00 | comment | added | Alexei Levenkov | That 5 minutes edits-with-no-history ability for authors of the post mess edits all the time... Indeed it is rarely problem for good questions as OP re-read and edited they text multiple times while preparing the post over week or two. | |
Mar 22, 2019 at 23:47 | comment | added | perennial_noob |
Yeah and there was no way for me to flag that review. But even beyond this example I have seen others where people make tiny edits by adding , or an extra ` `. Those are trivial. @NicolBolas - actually the edit was not wrong in that it didn't attempt to remove the lines because I hadn't posted my edit yet. So that significant part that got removed was because of an edit conflict which I was forced to accept. I hope that helped clarify.
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Mar 22, 2019 at 23:39 | comment | added | Nicol Bolas | The edit that presumably started this. The UI should have offered a variety of options, including various forms of rejection and approval. In any case, I would not characterize the edit in question as "trivial"; it removed content that I would consider significant from your answer. So this is not a problem of some trivial or "frivolous" edit; it's a wrong edit, and the UI either broke or confused you. | |
Mar 22, 2019 at 23:39 | comment | added | Sterling Archer | Don't forget that anybody under 2k/500 edits requires approval in the suggested edits review queue. Beyond that, if somebody makes a non-vandalizing edit, it's generally ok because the only one benefiting from it is the post itself. | |
Mar 22, 2019 at 23:21 | comment | added | Makoto | Sorry @perennial_noob, not seeing the comment you're referencing. | |
Mar 22, 2019 at 23:07 | comment | added | TiiJ7 | Perhaps the edit was already rejected by the time you saw it (for example, editing it yourself will auto-reject any pending edits). In that case it will give the author the ability to still approve the edit, but not reject since it is already rejected. There should be a notice on the review in that case, though. | |
Mar 22, 2019 at 22:34 | comment | added | perennial_noob |
I think the UX on that was confusing. First up @Makoto the example in the link above by Hans is one where unnecessary word edits were made and that ended up conflicting my own edit thereby removing actually useful edit that was addressing the question. So @HansPassant - wrt the UX it seemed to tell me that the edit was suggested and the only action that was shown to me was Approve . This was odd. I didn't see Reject as an option.
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Mar 22, 2019 at 22:29 | comment | added | Makoto | You can only get editing badges once, and you don't get reputation for edits after ~500 edits or if you have 2k+ total rep. But maybe some of these edits are trivial; got any specific examples? | |
Mar 22, 2019 at 22:25 | history | asked | perennial_noob | CC BY-SA 4.0 |