Timeline for Why does milliseconds in a VBA Date variable trigger angry responses? [closed]
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Mar 7, 2019 at 23:17 | comment | added | Martijn Pieters Mod | @Jay: we are human beings, not automatons. If all we did was just delete because something is flagged, why have human moderators at all? So yes, we do review ourselves. Note that not all flags are handled by the moderators; certain flag types are handled by the community through review queues (through voting mechanisms), but may eventually be handled by a moderator if left long enough, and some are handled automatically if enough flags accumulate (e.g. 6 spam flags automatically trigger post deletion). | |
Mar 7, 2019 at 23:07 | comment | added | Jay | I regret my use of caps, I will do better in the future. Is there shorthand for "community members with privileges?" | |
Mar 7, 2019 at 23:01 | comment | added | Alexei Levenkov | @Jay yes, indeed you can ask that (as separate question on this site). I'd strongly recommend reading some existing posts on subject of "why this @#$#$ deleted my comment/question/answer" so before posting that question. The moderators provided plenty of information on how they handle flags on posts and comments already - if you just ask question without showing that you've read previous discussions you'll have more of "you @#$@ just don't like me" experience which we really don't like you to have. | |
Mar 7, 2019 at 22:55 | comment | added | Jay | @MartijnPieters Thank you for your comment. Can I ask if moderators (the diamond folks) just delete mechanically based on community members with privileges, or do they do significant review? | |
Mar 7, 2019 at 22:50 | comment | added | Hans Passant | SO users care a lot about the technical accuracy of info presented at the site. They know what a Date looks like, they have no idea what you look like. Your desire to be right is pretty fundamentally in conflict with the site's goals, the stronger you assert it the more responses you invite. Duty calls. Don't do it. | |
Mar 7, 2019 at 22:40 | history | closed |
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Mar 7, 2019 at 22:38 | comment | added | Nicol Bolas | @Jay: "I really invite review" I see little evidence of this in this thread. For example, you say "the dismissal with incorrect arguments". But I see no evidence of "incorrect arguments" here. I see people challenging your assertion that the statements you're talking about are "angry", and I think those challenges are not "incorrect". Indeed, I would say that you have exhibited more anger than anyone else thus far, and it's very difficult to see your position as "inviting review" when you don't even seem to consider the possibility that you are wrong. | |
Mar 7, 2019 at 22:34 | comment | added | Nicol Bolas | @Jay: "am I ever not nice in my assertions or replies?" Well, in this very thread, you SHOUTED at people, which is often reasonably interpreted as anger. "the pattern of deletions" One moderator deleted a comment; you deleted another. There is no pattern. Please do not repeat this misinformation about deletion again. | |
Mar 7, 2019 at 22:31 | comment | added | Jay | This is even exceeding my attention span soon! I really invite review, am I ever not nice in my assertions or replies? I am adding stuff up by user1: the pattern of deletions, the dismissal with incorrect arguments, and the recruiting of a confederate (user2 cites user1 as authority in his argument) but I can only appeal to user1 to help? Seems unlikely but thanks for the thoughts. | |
Mar 7, 2019 at 22:28 | answer | added | Alexei Levenkov | timeline score: 16 | |
Mar 7, 2019 at 22:16 | comment | added | Patrice | The things I think it makes sense to explain are twofold: 1) moderation isn't angry. Moderation is just moderation. Now the comment is definitely not okay, so you should have flagged it. But.... 2) no matter how wrong or rude someone else is, this never excuses you from the 'be nice' guideline. Ever. And the be nice also talks about stuff like assuming good intentions. That's super important, as it's easy to read too much emotions in a comment on the interwebs. | |
Mar 7, 2019 at 21:57 | comment | added | Jay | Look away quickly before the facts appear! Interesting difference between VBA description of the Data data type and VB description: [link]docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/visual-basic/language-reference/… [link]docs.microsoft.com/en-us/office/vba/language/reference/… The VB version promises ALL the resolution of the IEEE754: "and times from 12:00:00 AM (midnight) through 11:59:59.9999999 PM. Each increment represents 100 nanoseconds" The VBA version omits any mention of sub-second resolution (dumbed down?) but DOES reference the same "IEEE 64-bit (8-byte)". | |
Mar 7, 2019 at 21:55 | comment | added | fbueckert | No, I think at this point you're too invested in this for it to be worthwhile to continue. I'm just going to step out of this entirely, as I don't think there's going to be any good outcome to continuing. | |
Mar 7, 2019 at 21:52 | comment | added | Jay | @fbueckert I hate to point out that you have bought into his assertion which is patently false. It's like a virus! You are even elaborating without pausing to recognize it is false! Almost like you are now invested in it! Please let me offer some proof? Or should I give up now? | |
Mar 7, 2019 at 21:15 | review | Close votes | |||
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Mar 7, 2019 at 21:12 | comment | added | fbueckert | That statement is more rude than it needs to be, for sure. But the premise behind it is pretty sound; clever code, isn't. Remember that you won't be around to maintain this forever; whoever has to take over is going to have a hard time understanding what you're trying to do. Is it worth the extra headache for someone else to understand what you're doing here, as opposed to using data types for their intended purpose, and just rolling your own for extra functionality? | |
Mar 7, 2019 at 21:06 | comment | added | Martijn Pieters Mod |
@Jay: see Wikipedia, using only capitals is read as shouting very loud and angrily. I see you are also using [link] a lot, but we use markdown formatting here, where we have specific support for marking up text as bold or italics. There is a 'help' link next to the comment box with a quick overview of the most-used formatting options.
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Mar 7, 2019 at 21:02 | comment | added | user1228 | Side note, it is better to use italics and bold to emphasize things you are typing as ALL CAPS IS SHOUTY AND ANGRY AND FOLKS TAKE IT NEGATIVELY. | |
Mar 7, 2019 at 21:02 | comment | added | BSMP | The all caps does come across as shouting. If you just want emphasis, consider bold text but use that sparingly. @AndréKool Yep, I had to expand the comments to see it. | |
Mar 7, 2019 at 21:02 | comment | added | André Kool | @BSMP It takes some looking around (if that's the one you are talking about) | |
Mar 7, 2019 at 21:01 | comment | added | Jay | Thank you @fbueckert I want to go RIGHT THERE, but without anger! Just because SOME FUNCTIONS limit the range of the Date variable type, it DOES NOT MEAN I am stretching a data type beyond it's intended purpose. Is it the caps that are triggers? | |
Mar 7, 2019 at 20:59 | comment | added | Martijn Pieters Mod | Last but not least, our community is expected to curate content, which includes voting and closing as duplicates or as off topic, where necessary. Emotions have very little to do with those actions. Don't read anything more into those than just people doing their best to use the site as it was designed. | |
Mar 7, 2019 at 20:59 | answer | added | Makoto | timeline score: 8 | |
Mar 7, 2019 at 20:58 | comment | added | Martijn Pieters Mod | Moreover, only 5 comments of yours were deleted, ever, 3 by you, and 2 by moderators (the other because it was deemed obsolete). Note that by moderators I'm talking about elected community moderators like me (note the ♦ diamond next to my name). Everybody else are just community members like you (with perhaps a few more privileges earned through participation. Don't confuse the two groups. | |
Mar 7, 2019 at 20:54 | comment | added | Jay | I think this is anger: You must really hate your fellow programmers and yourself to violate the encapsulation of data types like that. – this 2 | |
Mar 7, 2019 at 20:51 | comment | added | Martijn Pieters Mod | Only 2 comments of yours, on one of the answers, were deleted. One was deleted by a moderator after it was flagged, you deleted the other comment. That's really not a lot. | |
Mar 7, 2019 at 20:46 | comment | added | Don't Panic | No one is going to get angry with you over a question topic. Are you sure it wasn't something else? | |
Mar 7, 2019 at 20:45 | comment | added | fbueckert | Likely due to what seems to be stretching a data type beyond it's intended purpose. Yes, it can be done. But it generally should not, if you like maintainable code. | |
Mar 7, 2019 at 20:40 | history | asked | Jay | CC BY-SA 4.0 |