Timeline for I approved an edit adding backticks and fixing a typo - was that so bad as to deserve a review ban?
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May 20, 2019 at 13:04 | comment | added | sanyassh | What a poor logic "question is old, edit is minor, reject it and don't bump the question". If edit is good, it must be approved. | |
Feb 6, 2019 at 9:23 | comment | added | Hans Olsson | I agree with gudok and jpmc26 that we should fix the bumping logic instead of working around it by not editing old questions. | |
Feb 6, 2019 at 4:19 | comment | added | jpmc26 | Bumping is not a good reason to refrain from fixing actual problems. SO needs to fix this, like we've been saying since before I even became a member. If we don't want minor edits to bump a post, that should be implemented in the site software, not used as an excuse to leave the site worse off than it could be. | |
Feb 5, 2019 at 21:14 | history | edited | honk | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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Feb 5, 2019 at 21:04 | comment | added | Nick is tired | @TylerH I would've rejected this, no improvement, the filenames without the code formatting are easier to read IMO, although I agree with the sentiment in general | |
Feb 5, 2019 at 16:16 | comment | added | TylerH | @YvetteColomb Can you clarify what you mean by your last comment? IMO questions with problems should be edited no matter their age. We do ask some discretion from low-rep users who can only make suggestions so as to avoid piling on less-important tasks for edit reviewers... but that's a matter of politeness; it's certainly not something that should earn a Reject action IMO. | |
Feb 5, 2019 at 15:58 | comment | added | user310988 | @YvetteColomb I hope I didn't come across too harshly. I'm curious and have a desire to improve things, rather than being angry. As you often point out it's hard to convey things well in comments, so I've created a question which I hope better states my position: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/379824/… The previous questions on the topic got buried or ignored, so hopefully this one will get some better quality responses. | |
Feb 5, 2019 at 13:00 | comment | added | jrh | @YvetteColomb if SO is a knowledge repository,does the age of a post really matter though, if it's still useful? Isn't it more important to maintain all the hard work people put in over the years than it is to clutter the front page for a couple of seconds? (Though I'd rather posts not get bumped automatically at all for edits in most cases, I'd rather err on the side of "let's fix content" than "let's not distract answerers for a couple seconds") | |
Feb 5, 2019 at 11:17 | comment | added | user310988 | @YvetteColomb It is currently the responsibility of editors and reviewers to make a note of how old a post is, because the system erroneously bumps minor edits. If the system worked correctly, and didn't bump minor edits, then there would be no problem with approving minor edits, right? | |
Feb 5, 2019 at 9:37 | comment | added | user3956566 | @gudok it is the responsibility of editors and reviewers to make a note of how old a post is. | |
Feb 5, 2019 at 9:18 | comment | added | gudok | It would be more appropriate not to bump old questions when there is only a small change was made. Both editor and reviewers completed their job. The fact that the question is old is not their problem. | |
Feb 4, 2019 at 20:16 | comment | added | user3956566 | I'm really busy today, but I will get back to all this in the next 12 -24 hours. | |
Feb 4, 2019 at 20:00 | comment | added | TylerH | @jrh You can ask on meta, or in a chatroom, or earn enough rep to make edits that don't need to be approved, or continue making edits that primarily fix stuff in a post | |
Feb 4, 2019 at 19:55 | comment | added | jrh | If that's the case, how exactly should I go about notifying high rep users of problems? Should I make some giant gist and post that somewhere? I end up on the dustiest possible corners of SO (i.e., the kind of hard questions SO wants sometimes?) and I've seen many old posts with problems, no high rep users are going to see those. Whatever the content improvement plan is for SO, from what I've seen it's not working, outside of high traffic posts things can get pretty messy. | |
Feb 4, 2019 at 18:34 | history | edited | user3956566 | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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Feb 4, 2019 at 16:59 | comment | added | user310988 | This should really be it's own Meta Question ... but ... If the problem is that the edit will cause the post to get bumped, then isn't a "better" solution to make a way to approve edits without bumping the post? i.e. It shouldn't be "don't approve minor edits" but rather "don't bump minor edits"? | |
Feb 4, 2019 at 16:22 | comment | added | jrh | What more could have been improved on the post that the editor missed? (Might be a grammar problem in the answer, I'm not sure, I'm not really an expert in HTML). Every meta topic I've found on the topic has said that "too minor isn't a reject reason", and that any edit, no matter how small, if it improves something, is worth doing (as long as it fixes all issues on the post); did this change? | |
Feb 4, 2019 at 15:53 | comment | added | Cœur | Yvette, you're suggesting reject and edit, but all you did was rejecting without performing the edit part. So I've done it for you and I've fixed the typo from the linked post. | |
Feb 4, 2019 at 15:34 | comment | added | Cœur | Bah, ban me for review too, as I did approve a minor typo correction too! I'm siding with Styx here: we shouldn't barrage editors from improving posts, even for minor edits. If the problem comes from too many suggested edits, then act on the editor, not on the reviewers! | |
Feb 4, 2019 at 8:33 | comment | added | snakecharmerb | Thanks for taking the time to answer this - I received a ban regarding for accepting one of this user's edits, and while I was able to work out for myself that I'd approved an edit that was too trivial, I agree it would have been helpful to get some kind of informative message as to why the ban was issued (though I appreciate you may not have much time). Thanks again for the work that you do, and thanks to Samuel Liew for pointing me towards this post. | |
Feb 4, 2019 at 7:52 | comment | added | Styx | @YvetteColomb Thanks, I appreciate that, though I have to admin that my goal was not to understand the reason of ban, but to understand what was wrong with this edit. I did understand, yes. I also didn't know that edits of old posts bump them to the front page, so I will be more careful from now on. | |
Feb 4, 2019 at 7:50 | comment | added | Cody Gray Mod | @Peter I disagree. A bunch of noisy edits can (and does) still launch a DoS on the "interesting" questions page, which is what I primarily use to find, um, interesting questions to answer. I'm not saying to avoid editing, of course. I'm just saying you still have to strike a balance, even on a very large site. I mostly see this problem with tag "burnination" sprees, though, rather than earnest attempts to clean up formatting/grammar. | |
Feb 4, 2019 at 7:46 | comment | added | Peter Mortensen | There may be other reasons for avoiding one-character edits (comprehensive edits being one of them), but bumping is not one of them (on Stack Overflow). | |
Feb 4, 2019 at 7:43 | comment | added | Jean-François Fabre Mod | I'll keep it as my personal reference anyway | |
Feb 4, 2019 at 7:43 | history | edited | user3956566 | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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Feb 4, 2019 at 7:41 | comment | added | user3956566 | @Styx oh yes. I'll edit to add that. We don't have any control about which queues, it's an all or nothing, I'll lift the ban now anyway. It's about learning not punishment. You've certainly paid attention and I appreciate that. | |
Feb 4, 2019 at 7:40 | vote | accept | Styx | ||
Feb 4, 2019 at 7:39 | comment | added | Styx | Thank you for the detailed answer, this person indeed suggested a couple of "add backticks" edits, though you have to admit, some of them did improve those questions. Anyway, I understand the reason now. Polishing posts is for 2k+ reps users, and only significant edits/improvements until that. The question about banning all queues still stands, but I reckon there is no technical ability to ban queues selectively. | |
Feb 4, 2019 at 7:04 | comment | added | user3956566 | @Jean-FrançoisFabre you mean keep this post as a canonical? | |
Feb 4, 2019 at 6:58 | comment | added | Jean-François Fabre Mod | can we keep that one as a canonical dupe for the future same questions ? :) so next time you (and other mods) have more time to attend to more serious matters on the site, like obscenity, voting fraud, spam? Good answer BTW | |
Feb 4, 2019 at 6:54 | history | edited | user3956566 | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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Feb 4, 2019 at 6:41 | comment | added | user3956566 | @Jean-FrançoisFabre if people want to split hairs and say - well there was also a typo, let them. It's not important either way. I suppose it gets another answer on the board. As long as all the similar/duplicated posts are linked. :) | |
Feb 4, 2019 at 6:40 | comment | added | Jean-François Fabre Mod | and noone believed me when I marked the question as duplicate... | |
Feb 4, 2019 at 6:39 | history | answered | user3956566 | CC BY-SA 4.0 |