Timeline for Take the 2019 Developer Survey
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Feb 5, 2019 at 20:16 | comment | added | jpmc26 | It's also bad that the question specifically states unit tests. If my projects have automated tests that don't test in isolation (e.g., maybe they interact with the DB or actually invoke an end-to-end web request) using a unit test framework, do they have "unit" tests? "Unit test" has many definitions, and many developers strongly disagree on which one is correct. | |
Jan 31, 2019 at 13:31 | comment | added | Gimby | Interesting discussion. I picked higher quality because I limit my view of OSS to be serious and well-maintained projects, not hobbyist stuff thrown on Github. the latter I would simply never use in production software so I didn't even count them in. | |
Jan 30, 2019 at 13:00 | comment | added | XWIKO | @Braiam I agree that it is subjective but that no-one agrees about it is not true. For this question to be comparable, how they define quality, and how they would measure that what they defined (if they even defined it) should be clear and would probably be a questionnaire itself. | |
Jan 26, 2019 at 0:32 | comment | added | apnorton | I think a better question would have been "Consider the top 10% of open source software and the top 10% of closed-source software, in terms of quality. Which is better?" ...or something along those lines. OSS has a fat tail of super low quality software, but I'd contend the top ~10% of OSS is better than the top 10% of commercial software. | |
Jan 25, 2019 at 15:02 | comment | added | Lundin | I picked lower quality, since on average open-source is of godawful horrible quality. Then of course there's stuff like gcc,Gimp, SVN, Codeblocks etc that are of very high quality. But the average hobbyist open-source project on Github is mostly trash. | |
Jan 24, 2019 at 17:00 | comment | added | Izkata | This question in particular had one big issue that others shared a bit: All three answers were valid depending on which team in my company it was talking about. I chose my answer for my team, but the results aren't going to be correct since it assumes "company". | |
Jan 24, 2019 at 11:05 | comment | added | Braiam | "How do you feel about the quality of open source software (OSS)?" doesn't include the "it"? What do you believe is quality is up to your own subjective impressions and something no one will ever agree about. They are already asking you how do you feel, keeping the same "feeling" for the rest of the question isn't a stretch. | |
Jan 24, 2019 at 3:17 | comment | added | Tyler Roper | I think it was the Code Review question that also had two options that were "I perform code reviews because I think it's beneficial" and "I perform code reviews because I am told to do so". I would've optimally chosen "both", however I understand that one or the other gets the point across fine. I just hope that in the end, a result in favor of the latter isn't misinterpreted as "Most of you do code reviews, but only because you're forced to." | |
Jan 23, 2019 at 20:33 | comment | added | TylerH | @Braiam Ignoring your rude tone, I'm saying your comment is 1) an opinion others don't necessarily share, and 2) conflating two parts of the survey question. The question asks for how we feel about something without defining it and without giving us adequate options to choose from. That seems straightforward to me; what part am I losing you on? | |
Jan 23, 2019 at 18:41 | comment | added | Braiam | @TylerH what the heck are you talking about? I'm telling you that the question and selection are fine as is. You can have subjective comparison about a group of software and what you feel it's more likely (which is what "on average" means) to tend towards good or bad. Quality is not a entire quantitative measure, and expecting that it would be is a poor design, but you are the only one doing that observation, not the survey which asked you "How do you feel". The issue that Kreiri mentions is more important design of the survey, this question makes sure to measure subjective impressions. | |
Jan 23, 2019 at 17:47 | comment | added | TylerH | @Braiam The definition of "on average" is not directly related to what metric we are using as a comparison. Giving a subjective explanation of what a question is asking for regarding a subjective matter also does not really solve anything. | |
Jan 23, 2019 at 17:45 | history | edited | TylerH | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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Jan 23, 2019 at 17:38 | comment | added | Braiam | "On average" is, when asking about subjectivity, what's your general feeling about. Average is a measurement of central tendency. If you believe tha OSS has the tendency to be better, same or worse than non-OSS, then answer that. | |
Jan 23, 2019 at 16:22 | comment | added | Antoine Pelletier | Personally, I'de say there's worst. I mean, the question is "what are your general feeling about this, with all your current experience" I think it's a legit question, just not well defined enough. But a no opinion checkbox would be great too | |
Jan 23, 2019 at 16:14 | comment | added | TylerH | @BDL That's kind of my point. | |
Jan 23, 2019 at 16:12 | comment | added | BDL | @TylerH: It doesn't explicitly ask about the code quality. I guess they mean overall quality (performance, usability, features, documentation, ...) | |
Jan 23, 2019 at 16:10 | comment | added | TylerH | @gsamaras I suppose it could be a nice question for people who have an informed opinion. I rarely look at the code for OSS projects, and no one looks at the code for closed source projects (unless they're the developer for it). I may have been able to provide a realistic answer if it said "OSS on average feels like it's higher/lower quality" or even better if it asked something specific (what does it mean by quality? again... could be elegance, efficiency, intuitive/more accessible UX/UI, a better/more modern visual design, ad infinitum...) | |
Jan 23, 2019 at 16:08 | comment | added | MarioDS | I came here for this question also. It gives you 3 blanket-statement options and no "No Opinion" or "Other". That remark comes up every year... | |
Jan 23, 2019 at 15:53 | comment | added | gsamaras | I liked that question, had to think twice before answering yes, but it's a well defined question IMHO! A "No opinion" would be a good idea I guess... | |
Jan 23, 2019 at 15:47 | history | answered | TylerH | CC BY-SA 4.0 |