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This question seems to be more of an attempt at opening a can of worms than the blog post.

It seems the "Powers that be" are still of the opinion that "women, people of color" and other, undefined groups are still being discriminated against. I have yet to see a clear statement as to how this can be shown, given that no such information is available in a question or answer, nor in a user profile unless the individual chooses to mention it. So frustrating...

What the blog post says is that women, people of color, and other underrepresented groups too often don't feel welcome or like they have the same access to help. In general. It does not say "Stack Overflow users [still] discriminate against women and people of color." Seems to me like you are reading quite a pointed accusation where there is none at all.

That begs the question: what is the definition of "everyone who codes"?

Everyone who writes code. Seems straightforward enough to me. While this isn't verbatim what SO's mission statement has been ("professional and enthusiast coders"), it's pretty much the same thing; everyone who codes is likely in one of those two camps -- doing it because they enjoy it or because it's their job. I don't know anyone who codes as a hobby and doesn't enjoy it...

Does it include those who copy code from somewhere, with no understanding of what the code does? Then expect others to modify it to fit their special needs?

 

Does it mean this is now "officially" become a tutorial site and/or free code writing service?

 

Where do we draw the line?

I would like to draw the line in front of asking such loaded questions. You should not assume such ill intent of people, whether it's newbies asking questions, or people writing blog posts. Putting aside that articles for public consumption are written a certain way with certain language that is often entirely different from technical documents or legal documents (everything from the code of conduct to the site rules to the help center), the technical answer to your questions is:

Yes. It includes those people. Everyone should be able to come to SO and ask a question. But we still have rules and expectations.

However, just because SO is "for everyone who codes" doesn't mean we start accepting tutorial requests or broad "write the next 'Facebook-Killer' website for me" questions (or any of the myriad other questions that are off-topic). It's not a reasonable interpretation in my opinion to think that's the outcome or future of SO just because a blog post is written using inclusive terms.

This question seems to be more of an attempt at opening a can of worms than the blog post.

It seems the "Powers that be" are still of the opinion that "women, people of color" and other, undefined groups are still being discriminated against. I have yet to see a clear statement as to how this can be shown, given that no such information is available in a question or answer, nor in a user profile unless the individual chooses to mention it. So frustrating...

What the blog post says is that women, people of color, and other underrepresented groups too often don't feel welcome or like they have the same access to help. In general. It does not say "Stack Overflow users [still] discriminate against women and people of color." Seems to me like you are reading quite a pointed accusation where there is none at all.

That begs the question: what is the definition of "everyone who codes"?

Everyone who writes code. Seems straightforward enough to me. While this isn't verbatim what SO's mission statement has been ("professional and enthusiast coders"), it's pretty much the same thing; everyone who codes is likely in one of those two camps -- doing it because they enjoy it or because it's their job. I don't know anyone who codes as a hobby and doesn't enjoy it...

Does it include those who copy code from somewhere, with no understanding of what the code does? Then expect others to modify it to fit their special needs?

 

Does it mean this is now "officially" become a tutorial site and/or free code writing service?

 

Where do we draw the line?

I would like to draw the line in front of asking such loaded questions. You should not assume such ill intent of people, whether it's newbies asking questions, or people writing blog posts. Putting aside that articles for public consumption are written a certain way with certain language that is often entirely different from technical documents or legal documents (everything from the code of conduct to the site rules to the help center), the technical answer to your questions is:

Yes. It includes those people. Everyone should be able to come to SO and ask a question. But we still have rules and expectations.

However, just because SO is "for everyone who codes" doesn't mean we start accepting tutorial requests or broad "write the next 'Facebook-Killer' website for me" questions (or any of the myriad other questions that are off-topic). It's not a reasonable interpretation in my opinion to think that's the outcome or future of SO just because a blog post is written using inclusive terms.

This question seems to be more of an attempt at opening a can of worms than the blog post.

It seems the "Powers that be" are still of the opinion that "women, people of color" and other, undefined groups are still being discriminated against. I have yet to see a clear statement as to how this can be shown, given that no such information is available in a question or answer, nor in a user profile unless the individual chooses to mention it. So frustrating...

What the blog post says is that women, people of color, and other underrepresented groups too often don't feel welcome or like they have the same access to help. In general. It does not say "Stack Overflow users [still] discriminate against women and people of color." Seems to me like you are reading quite a pointed accusation where there is none at all.

That begs the question: what is the definition of "everyone who codes"?

Everyone who writes code. Seems straightforward enough to me. While this isn't verbatim what SO's mission statement has been ("professional and enthusiast coders"), it's pretty much the same thing; everyone who codes is likely in one of those two camps -- doing it because they enjoy it or because it's their job. I don't know anyone who codes as a hobby and doesn't enjoy it...

Does it include those who copy code from somewhere, with no understanding of what the code does? Then expect others to modify it to fit their special needs?

Does it mean this is now "officially" become a tutorial site and/or free code writing service?

Where do we draw the line?

I would like to draw the line in front of asking such loaded questions. You should not assume such ill intent of people, whether it's newbies asking questions, or people writing blog posts. Putting aside that articles for public consumption are written a certain way with certain language that is often entirely different from technical documents or legal documents (everything from the code of conduct to the site rules to the help center), the technical answer to your questions is:

Yes. It includes those people. Everyone should be able to come to SO and ask a question. But we still have rules and expectations.

However, just because SO is "for everyone who codes" doesn't mean we start accepting tutorial requests or broad "write the next 'Facebook-Killer' website for me" questions (or any of the myriad other questions that are off-topic). It's not a reasonable interpretation in my opinion to think that's the outcome or future of SO just because a blog post is written using inclusive terms.

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This question seems to be more of an attempt at opening a can of worms than the blog post.

It seems the "Powers that be" are still of the opinion that "women, people of color" and other, undefined groups are still being discriminated against. I have yet to see a clear statement as to how this can be shown, given that no such information is available in a question or answer, nor in a user profile unless the individual chooses to mention it. So frustrating...

What the blog post says is that women, people of color, and other underrepresented groups too often don't feel welcome or like they have the same access to help. In general. It does not say "Stack Overflow users [still] discriminate against women and people of color." Seems to me like you are reading quite a pointed accusation where there is none at all.

That begs the question: what is the definition of "everyone who codes"?

Everyone who writes code. Seems straightforward enough to me. While this isn't verbatim what SO's mission statement has been ("professional and enthusiast coders"), it's pretty much the same thing; everyone who codes is likely in one of those two camps -- doing it because they enjoy it or because it's their job. I don't know anyone who codes as a hobby and doesn't enjoy it...

Does it include those who copy code from somewhere, with no understanding of what the code does? Then expect others to modify it to fit their special needs?

Does it mean this is now "officially" become a tutorial site and/or free code writing service?

Where do we draw the line?

I would like to draw the line in front of asking such loaded questions. You should not assume such ill intent of people, whether it's newbies asking questions, or people writing blog posts. Putting aside that articles for public consumption are written a certain way with certain language that is often entirely different from technical documents or legal documents (everything from the code of conduct to the site rules to the help center), the technical answer to your questions is:

Yes. It includes those people. Everyone should be able to come to SO and ask a question. But we still have rules and expectations.

However, just because SO is "for everyone who codes" doesn't mean we start accepting tutorial requests or broad "write the next 'Facebook-Killer' website for me" questions (or any of the myriad other questions that are off-topic). It's not a reasonable interpretation in my opinion to think that's the outcome or future of SO just because a blog post is written using inclusive terms.

This question seems to be more of an attempt at opening a can of worms than the blog post.

It seems the "Powers that be" are still of the opinion that "women, people of color" and other, undefined groups are still being discriminated against. I have yet to see a clear statement as to how this can be shown, given that no such information is available in a question or answer, nor in a user profile unless the individual chooses to mention it. So frustrating...

What the blog post says is that women, people of color, and other underrepresented groups too often don't feel welcome or like they have the same access to help. In general. It does not say "Stack Overflow users [still] discriminate against women and people of color. Seems to me like you are reading quite a pointed accusation where there is none at all.

That begs the question: what is the definition of "everyone who codes"?

Everyone who writes code. Seems straightforward enough to me. While this isn't verbatim what SO's mission statement has been ("professional and enthusiast coders"), it's pretty much the same thing; everyone who codes is likely in one of those two camps -- doing it because they enjoy it or because it's their job. I don't know anyone who codes as a hobby and doesn't enjoy it...

Does it include those who copy code from somewhere, with no understanding of what the code does? Then expect others to modify it to fit their special needs?

Does it mean this is now "officially" become a tutorial site and/or free code writing service?

Where do we draw the line?

I would like to draw the line in front of asking such loaded questions. You should not assume such ill intent of people, whether it's newbies asking questions, or people writing blog posts. Putting aside that articles for public consumption are written a certain way with certain language that is often entirely different from technical documents or legal documents (everything from the code of conduct to the site rules to the help center), the technical answer to your questions is:

Yes. It includes those people. Everyone should be able to come to SO and ask a question. But we still have rules and expectations.

However, just because SO is "for everyone who codes" doesn't mean we start accepting tutorial requests or broad "write the next 'Facebook-Killer' website for me" questions (or any of the myriad other questions that are off-topic). It's not a reasonable interpretation in my opinion to think that's the outcome or future of SO just because a blog post is written using inclusive terms.

This question seems to be more of an attempt at opening a can of worms than the blog post.

It seems the "Powers that be" are still of the opinion that "women, people of color" and other, undefined groups are still being discriminated against. I have yet to see a clear statement as to how this can be shown, given that no such information is available in a question or answer, nor in a user profile unless the individual chooses to mention it. So frustrating...

What the blog post says is that women, people of color, and other underrepresented groups too often don't feel welcome or like they have the same access to help. In general. It does not say "Stack Overflow users [still] discriminate against women and people of color." Seems to me like you are reading quite a pointed accusation where there is none at all.

That begs the question: what is the definition of "everyone who codes"?

Everyone who writes code. Seems straightforward enough to me. While this isn't verbatim what SO's mission statement has been ("professional and enthusiast coders"), it's pretty much the same thing; everyone who codes is likely in one of those two camps -- doing it because they enjoy it or because it's their job. I don't know anyone who codes as a hobby and doesn't enjoy it...

Does it include those who copy code from somewhere, with no understanding of what the code does? Then expect others to modify it to fit their special needs?

Does it mean this is now "officially" become a tutorial site and/or free code writing service?

Where do we draw the line?

I would like to draw the line in front of asking such loaded questions. You should not assume such ill intent of people, whether it's newbies asking questions, or people writing blog posts. Putting aside that articles for public consumption are written a certain way with certain language that is often entirely different from technical documents or legal documents (everything from the code of conduct to the site rules to the help center), the technical answer to your questions is:

Yes. It includes those people. Everyone should be able to come to SO and ask a question. But we still have rules and expectations.

However, just because SO is "for everyone who codes" doesn't mean we start accepting tutorial requests or broad "write the next 'Facebook-Killer' website for me" questions (or any of the myriad other questions that are off-topic). It's not a reasonable interpretation in my opinion to think that's the outcome or future of SO just because a blog post is written using inclusive terms.

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This question seems to be more of an attempt at opening a can of worms than the blog post.

It seems the "Powers that be" are still of the opinion that "women, people of color" and other, undefined groups are still being discriminated against. I have yet to see a clear statement as to how this can be shown, given that no such information is available in a question or answer, nor in a user profile unless the individual chooses to mention it. So frustrating...

What the blog post says is that women, people of color, and other underrepresented groups too often don't feel welcome or like they have the same access to help. In general. It does not say "Stack Overflow users [still] discriminate against women and people of color. Seems to me like you are reading quite a pointed accusation where there is none at all.

That begs the question: what is the definition of "everyone who codes"?

Everyone who writes code. Seems straightforward enough to me. While this isn't verbatim what SO's mission statement has been ("professional and enthusiast coders"), it's pretty much the same thing; everyone who codes is likely in one of those two camps -- doing it because they enjoy it or because it's their job. I don't know anyone who codes as a hobby and doesn't enjoy it...

Does it include those who copy code from somewhere, with no understanding of what the code does? Then expect others to modify it to fit their special needs?

Does it mean this is now "officially" become a tutorial site and/or free code writing service?

Where do we draw the line?

I would like to draw the line in front of asking such loaded questions. You should not assume such ill intent of people, whether it's newbies asking questions, or people writing blog posts. Putting aside that articles for public consumption are written a certain way with certain language that is often entirely different from technical documents or legal documents (everything from the code of conduct to the site rules to the help center), the technical answer to your questions is:

Yes. It includes those people. Everyone should be able to come to SO and ask a question. But we still have rules and expectations.

However, just because SO is "for everyone who codes" doesn't mean we start accepting tutorial requests or broad "write the next 'Facebook-Killer' website for me" questions (or any of the myriad other questions that are off-topic). It's not a reasonable interpretation in my opinion to think that's the outcome or future of SO just because a blog post is written using inclusive terms.