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As far as broadly preventing no longer needed comments... no system or user can predict all no longer needed comments. Some naturally become obsolete as situations develop. Also, "useless" isn't a currently defined category, because the balance struck for "no longer needed" was intended to be more of a "useless but benign" (as described by Shog).

For the most part, the type of comments (aside from the obviously abusive ones) subject to one flag removal don't really pose a problem in and of themselves. Sometimes they can be pleasant (Thanks!), sometimes they can be curt (What have you tried?), but overall they are rather bland.

Removing them with a single flag allows any user who viewed the comment as problematic to simply delete it while still allowing users to say what they were going to say. It is a good middle ground.

That said, the comments are relentlessly removed by the community. More precisely, the community-ish, as Andy has become a moderator and his flags are now binding so it is perhaps less obvious how many he handles/raises. Prior to election, it was at 130,593 helpful flags.

This all plays into the notion that relatively benign comments don't particularly cause a problem on their own, but if allowed to pile up do become an issue. Shog9 addresses this in an MSE post, referring to the situation as

"Death by a thousand cuts" - one or two have an imperceptible cost, but in quantity they push the site closer to those tedious forums where finding useful information involves scanning past scores of irrelevant responses. Arguably we could just hide them and be done with it, except that no one can agree on a suitable threshold for doing it - so instead we have flags and rely on moderator judgement.

More broadly, this entire discussion we are having on automation with regards to comment prevention runs almost parallel to discussions on automation with regards to comment removal. The recent discussion Should moderators run automated bots under their accounts? does a very good job of covering many of the same aspects being examined here in this post, and the older discussion Can a machine be taught to flag comments automatically? has empirical evidence as well as some in depth looks at the overall sentiment towards automating removal. While neither of these directly address prevention, they are nonetheless very relevant to this topic.

In my opinion, the overall problem of easy to remove comments (aside from the abusive ones) is largely solved and would not be greatly improved using a prevention tool. There are certainly other very pressing issues that the automation team should be addressing instead (ask question ux perhaps being at the top of the list).

As far as broadly preventing no longer needed comments... no system or user can predict all no longer needed comments. Some naturally become obsolete as situations develop. Also, "useless" isn't a currently defined category, because the balance struck for "no longer needed" was intended to be more of a "useless but benign" (as described by Shog).

For the most part, the type of comments (aside from the obviously abusive ones) subject to one flag removal don't really pose a problem in and of themselves. Sometimes they can be pleasant (Thanks!), sometimes they can be curt (What have you tried?), but overall they are rather bland.

Removing them with a single flag allows any user who viewed the comment as problematic to simply delete it while still allowing users to say what they were going to say. It is a good middle ground.

That said, the comments are relentlessly removed by the community. More precisely, the community-ish, as Andy has become a moderator and his flags are now binding so it is perhaps less obvious how many he handles/raises. Prior to election, it was at 130,593 helpful flags.

This all plays into the notion that relatively benign comments don't particularly cause a problem on their own, but if allowed to pile up do become an issue. Shog9 addresses this in an MSE post, referring to the situation as

"Death by a thousand cuts" - one or two have an imperceptible cost, but in quantity they push the site closer to those tedious forums where finding useful information involves scanning past scores of irrelevant responses. Arguably we could just hide them and be done with it, except that no one can agree on a suitable threshold for doing it - so instead we have flags and rely on moderator judgement.

More broadly, this entire discussion we are having on automation with regards to comment prevention runs almost parallel to discussions on automation with regards to comment removal. The recent discussion Should moderators run automated bots under their accounts? does a very good job of covering many of the same aspects being examined here in this post, and the older discussion Can a machine be taught to flag comments automatically? has empirical evidence as well as some in depth looks at the overall sentiment towards automating removal. While neither of these directly address prevention, they are nonetheless very relevant to this topic.

In my opinion, the overall problem of easy to remove comments (aside from the abusive ones) is largely solved and would not be greatly improved using a prevention tool. There are certainly other very pressing issues that the automation team should be addressing instead (ask question ux perhaps being at the top of the list).

As far as broadly preventing no longer needed comments... no system or user can predict all no longer needed comments. Some naturally become obsolete as situations develop. Also, "useless" isn't a currently defined category, because the balance struck for "no longer needed" was intended to be more of a "useless but benign" (as described by Shog).

For the most part, the type of comments (aside from the obviously abusive ones) subject to one flag removal don't really pose a problem in and of themselves. Sometimes they can be pleasant (Thanks!), sometimes they can be curt (What have you tried?), but overall they are rather bland.

Removing them with a single flag allows any user who viewed the comment as problematic to simply delete it while still allowing users to say what they were going to say. It is a good middle ground.

That said, the comments are relentlessly removed by the community. More precisely, the community-ish, as Andy has become a moderator and his flags are now binding so it is perhaps less obvious how many he handles/raises. Prior to election, it was at 130,593 helpful flags.

This all plays into the notion that relatively benign comments don't particularly cause a problem on their own, but if allowed to pile up do become an issue. Shog9 addresses this in an MSE post, referring to the situation as

"Death by a thousand cuts" - one or two have an imperceptible cost, but in quantity they push the site closer to those tedious forums where finding useful information involves scanning past scores of irrelevant responses. Arguably we could just hide them and be done with it, except that no one can agree on a suitable threshold for doing it - so instead we have flags and rely on moderator judgement.

More broadly, this entire discussion we are having on automation with regards to comment prevention runs almost parallel to discussions on automation with regards to comment removal. The recent discussion Should moderators run automated bots under their accounts? does a very good job of covering many of the same aspects being examined here in this post, and the older discussion Can a machine be taught to flag comments automatically? has empirical evidence as well as some in depth looks at the overall sentiment towards automating removal. While neither of these directly address prevention, they are nonetheless very relevant to this topic.

In my opinion, the overall problem of easy to remove comments (aside from the abusive ones) is largely solved and would not be greatly improved using a prevention tool. There are certainly other very pressing issues that the automation team should be addressing instead (ask question ux perhaps being at the top of the list).

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As far as broadly preventing no longer needed comments... no system or user can predict all no longer needed comments. Some naturally become obsolete as situations develop. Also, "useless" isn't a currently defined category, because the balance struck for "no longer needed" was intended to be more of a "useless but benign" (as described by Shog).

For the most part, the type of comments (aside from the obviously abusive ones) subject to one flag removal don't really pose a problem in and of themselves. Sometimes they can be pleasant (Thanks!), sometimes they can be curt (What have you tried?), but overall they are rather bland.

Removing them with a single flag allows any user who viewed the comment as problematic to simply delete it while still allowing users to say what they were going to say. It is a good middle ground.

That said, the comments are relentlessly removed by the community. More precisely, the community-ish, as Andy has become a moderator and his flags are now binding so it is perhaps less obvious how many he handles/raises. Prior to election, it was at 130,593 helpful flags.

This all plays into the notion that relatively benign comments don't particularly cause a problem on their own, but if allowed to pile up do become an issue. Shog9 addresses this in an MSE post, referring to the situation as

"Death by a thousand cuts" - one or two have an imperceptible cost, but in quantity they push the site closer to those tedious forums where finding useful information involves scanning past scores of irrelevant responses. Arguably we could just hide them and be done with it, except that no one can agree on a suitable threshold for doing it - so instead we have flags and rely on moderator judgement.

More broadly, this entire discussion we are having on automation with regards to comment prevention runs almost parallel to discussions on automation with regards to comment removal. The recent discussion Should moderators run automated bots under their accounts? does a very good job of covering many of the same aspects being examined here in this post, and the older discussion Can a machine be taught to flag comments automatically? has empirical evidence as well as some in depth looks at the overall sentiment towards automating removal. While neither of these directly address prevention, they are nonetheless very relevant to this topic.

In my opinion, the overall problem of easy to remove comments (aside from the abusive ones) is largely solved and would not be greatly improved using a prevention tool. There are certainly other very pressing issues that the automation team should be addressing instead (ask question ux perhaps being at the top of the list).