Timeline for How can the example "unwelcoming" comments be improved?
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Jun 19, 2019 at 17:48 | comment | added | Gabriel Morin | I think your alternatives are too verbose, and therefore hard to understand by glancing over them. | |
Dec 10, 2018 at 17:24 | vote | accept | nvoigt | ||
Dec 10, 2018 at 17:24 | comment | added | nvoigt | I don't necessarily agree that we should be held to those standards, but I think these alternatives are really good. I would not have flagged a single one as rude. | |
Dec 5, 2018 at 17:36 | comment | added | joran | @MarkAmery I don't think I have a particularly satisfying response for you, except to say that (IMHO) you're overthinking this quite a bit, and it's causing you to miss the forest for the trees here. | |
Dec 5, 2018 at 14:11 | comment | added | Ansgar Wiechers | @ryanyuyu Or maybe it isn't (see, I can make unsubstantiated claims too). Besides, to my knowledge it's not even proven yet that the Welcome Wagon initiative has any beneficial effects in the first place. | |
Dec 5, 2018 at 13:45 | comment | added | ryanyuyu | @AnsgarWiechers I'm not going to sugarcoat everything I say just because somebody might get offended by people getting to the point. it's probably that exact sentiment that started the welcoming initiative. | |
Dec 5, 2018 at 11:23 | comment | added | Mark Amery | As for alternatives 4 and 5, I again think they seem to carry fundamentally different meanings in your rewritten version compared to the original. The course of action you propose in your rewrite of 4 doesn't appear in the original. In 5 you've turned the comment from a complaint that the asker didn't debug their own code into an offer to guide them through debugging. Making the comment more polite by transforming it into a offer to do lots of work for the OP changes the meaning drastically - and such offers clearly aren't a sustainable way of dealing with such askers, either. | |
Dec 5, 2018 at 11:16 | comment | added | Mark Amery | Your rewrite of 3 I object to for a different reason: before, it seemed adversarial, and carried the implication of "I am capable of understanding this answer, and don't think it answers my question", and afterwards, it doesn't, instead reading as "I lack the skill required to understand this answer, and therefore don't know whether it answers my question". If the former was the meaning that was intended, that's not a good change; making the tone more deferential essentially obscures the fact that the comment is meant to be a criticism. | |
Dec 5, 2018 at 11:11 | comment | added | Mark Amery | FWIW, I think your rewritten #1 and #2 are both slightly less courteous and less constructive than the originals, primarily because they now make more specific requests of the asker. Maybe that's sometimes necessary, if the asker is a total moron who can only construct a coherent question when a patient non-moron holds their hand through every detail. But I'm inclined to think that it's usually preferable to assume that the OP can apply some independent thought in figuring out how best to frame their question and precisely what information is necessary to render it useful and answerable. | |
Dec 5, 2018 at 9:58 | comment | added | Sami Hult | @AnsgarWiechers I actually completely agree with you on the #1! | |
Dec 5, 2018 at 9:54 | comment | added | Ansgar Wiechers | @SamiHult I'm not arguing against being constructive. But take example 1 from this answer for instance: the original example would have been more constructive if it actually spelled out the 3 problems. The proposed improvement, however, just uses more words for conveying the exact same information as the original example comment. | |
Dec 5, 2018 at 9:49 | comment | added | Sami Hult | @AnsgarWiechers Regardless of how you view the purpose of this site - be it a social media of clever people or a library of concise solutions to well-formulated problems - taking the pain of trying to be as constructive as possible seems to have a positive impact on how the questions will be resolved. I would point out that the OP is somebody, and whether you think that the question needs editing or deletion, the key to good collaboration is considerate communication. | |
Dec 5, 2018 at 9:15 | comment | added | Ansgar Wiechers | I don't. I'm not going to sugarcoat everything I say just because somebody might get offended by people getting to the point. | |
Dec 5, 2018 at 5:13 | comment | added | BoltClock Mod | Cue collective groaning at the idea of using many words to sound friendlier. (Not from me - I like every one of your suggestions here.) | |
Dec 5, 2018 at 5:10 | history | edited | BoltClockMod | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
split things up a little bit
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Dec 4, 2018 at 22:35 | history | answered | joran | CC BY-SA 4.0 |