Timeline for Are questions about "how to ask" off topic on SO?
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Jan 13, 2019 at 18:18 | comment | added | David Arenburg | Can you please replace the "great R" words with "minimal" in the R question (as we can't edit it anymore)? Also, I think it's kind of unfair this question is being closed as OT without the option to reopen it. Some people (including you) do think it's on topic but can't express their thought anymore. I also think that linking to this question and telling new users to learn from it how to write an on-topic question while this same question is closed as OT is confusing. I generally don't have problem with it being locked, but the irreversible closing is what seem unfair/counter-intuitive. | |
Nov 26, 2018 at 12:59 | comment | added | Jon Clements Mod | Moderator note: comments seem to be going somewhat off track here folks... Let's keep 'em for what they're for in relation to the answer please. | |
Nov 26, 2018 at 0:54 | comment | added | user3956566 | @PearlySpencer I agree. I'm not sure what to do at this stage. I'm waiting for feedback from other mods. Timezones and all that :) | |
Nov 26, 2018 at 0:52 | comment | added | user8682794 | @YvetteColomb The place is not important to me either. What is important to me is that all questions be treated fairly. That said, any suggested solution should be pragmatic. The suggestion to create a place on Meta to host such questions is pure fantasy. Other more urgent issues are overlooked every day. This suggestion will not be implemented in 100 years. | |
Nov 26, 2018 at 0:46 | comment | added | user3956566 | @TinyGiant tbh I'm not sure which is the best place for these types of posts. Either way I'm not fussed and I don't think it matters that much, if we can come to some agreement. | |
Nov 25, 2018 at 23:58 | history | edited | user3956566 | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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Nov 25, 2018 at 22:43 | comment | added | user4639281 | I'm using different words because you don't seem to be understanding what I'm trying to say. I'm saying that I don't know if those other two examples should be moved or not. I think that the pandas question is off-topic on main, I don't know whether it should be moved or not because doing so would have a lot of side-effects and I'd rather leave it alone until someone smarter than me figures out how to fix the problem in a manner that considers all of those side effects. I don't think the R example should be moved because it is about producing an MCVE, not producing a question. @PearlySpencer | |
Nov 25, 2018 at 22:39 | comment | added | user8682794 | @TinyGiant Sorry but you are just repeating the same argument over and over again with different words. So I am going to leave it at that. | |
Nov 25, 2018 at 22:37 | comment | added | user4639281 | @PearlySpencer, no I said twice that I was not convinced that either of the target questions should be moved. That isn't arguing for keeping them there, it is explicitly not providing and argument that they should or should not be moved and saying because I'm not convinced either way. I think that if a question is about producing an MCVE then it is on-topic and that if it is about producing a question then it is off-topic. | |
Nov 25, 2018 at 22:34 | comment | added | user8682794 | @TinyGiant But this is not what you are arguing for. What you are arguing for is keeping the other questions on the main site but the Stata one on Meta. Again, both as a scientist and statistical programmer I disagree with the core of your assertions. An MCVE may be enough for a [html] or [css] programming problem but not for a good reproducible programming question where the end goal is statistical analysis. | |
Nov 25, 2018 at 22:33 | comment | added | user4639281 | @PearlySpencer Sure, in this case you have made a high quality example, but if such a question is to be allowed on main, how do we handle low-quality examples that occur in the wild? What about examples in low traffic tags? In a controlled environment such as meta, it is much easier to handle problems when they occur at the scale of Stack Overflow. | |
Nov 25, 2018 at 22:29 | comment | added | user4639281 | I personally think that if we could come up with a standardized format for what a good "How to ask questions in X tag" format and start posting them on meta under a common tag, then start linking to them and showing that there would be a global use for such a feature, that would make a much better case for the creation such a feature. As opposed to just having overly broad, controversial posts spread across the main site with no standard format for what one should look like, what information they should or should not contain, or how they should be handled by the community. | |
Nov 25, 2018 at 22:24 | comment | added | user4639281 | @PearlySpencer The Pandas example is quite a bit more on the question asking task end of things, whereas the R example is specifically about the programming task of creating an MCVE. | |
Nov 25, 2018 at 22:23 | comment | added | user8682794 | @TinyGiant We clearly disagree. | |
Nov 25, 2018 at 22:21 | comment | added | user4639281 | @PearlySpencer That doesn't matter. The task of producing an MCVE is a programming task. The task of producing a question is a question asking task. | |
Nov 25, 2018 at 22:04 | comment | added | user8682794 | @TinyGiant A good reproducible question on statistical programming requires more than just an MCVE in the traditional sense. In this respect, there is no real difference between the Stata question and the other two. But if it helps I have now re-worded the Stata question to more closely resemble the other two. | |
Nov 25, 2018 at 20:55 | history | edited | jpp | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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Nov 25, 2018 at 20:39 | comment | added | user4639281 | Frankly none of the arguments made here are valid arguments for keeping a question on main that doesn't belong on main. I'm not convinced that the other two need to be moved (as ayhan said producing an MCVE is a programming task where asking a question is not), but I'd like to see some valid arguments on the matter. A question is not on-topic on main because "The people who would be searching under those tags are less likely to find those posts on Meta. They may not be aware meta exists. They will more likely to find them under the tags." otherwise every meta question should be put on main | |
Nov 25, 2018 at 14:11 | comment | added | Eaten by a Grue | Thanks for contributing another point of view. I'm honestly surprised that there is no clear consensus about this | |
Nov 25, 2018 at 11:48 | comment | added | user8682794 | Yvette, with all due respect this is not about what I want. I simply think this is the right thing to do for Stata users and users of smaller tags in general. Despite the uproar, I have yet to hear a convincing argument from anyone about how the Stata question is different from the R and Pandas ones. | |
Nov 25, 2018 at 10:51 | history | edited | user3956566 | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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Nov 25, 2018 at 10:48 | comment | added | user3956566 | @PearlySpencer do you want it moved back? | |
Nov 25, 2018 at 9:00 | comment | added | user8682794 | If the other two questions are not be moved on Meta then the Stata question should be moved back on SO. Would you not agree that this would be the fair thing to do? Or Stata users are inferior somehow? | |
Nov 25, 2018 at 4:17 | history | edited | duplode | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
Tweaking the final note to make it clear it doesn't apply to the Stata post (which already had been migrated).
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Nov 25, 2018 at 4:06 | history | answered | user3956566 | CC BY-SA 4.0 |