Timeline for Are questions about "how to ask" off topic on SO? [duplicate]
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Nov 25, 2018 at 12:12 | comment | added | user8682794 | @Makyen If you read the comments below you will also see that there is no personal agenda here. The top contributor of the Stata tag fully supports my views and in fact has contributed to the Stata question. Nice try though. | |
Nov 25, 2018 at 12:03 | comment | added | user8682794 | @Makyen I am not taking anything personally. And the rest is clearly your interpretation. The community can't have it both ways. Move something when it suits, keep something when it does not. Your argument about the other two questions simply does not make sense in this case. To me at least. | |
Nov 25, 2018 at 12:02 | comment | added | Makyen Mod | @PearlySpencer If you want the migration policy to change, then make a feature request post requesting that the policy be changed. | |
Nov 25, 2018 at 12:01 | comment | added | Makyen Mod | @PearlySpencer You're taking this personally. No, this is not about "Stata users and users from smaller tags being treated differently" (BTW: nice inflation of the group to fit your agenda/perceived prejudice). This is about a question that's 2 days old being treated differently than ones that are 5 years old and 7 years, 6 months old. That's it. That's the only reason they're being treated differently. If the Stata question was > 60 days old, then it would have been treated just the same as the other two. If the other two were < 60 days old, then they would have been migrated too. | |
Nov 25, 2018 at 11:45 | comment | added | user8682794 | @Makyen This is not a real argument. Common sense says that the system can change if necessary and SE moderators/employees have the power to make anything happen. This is not about me. This is (again) about Stata users and users from smaller tags being treated differently than those in more popular tags. I have been accused about not open to ideas and now being upset but quite frankly I have yet to hear a convincing argument from anyone here about how those questions are different than the Stata one. | |
Nov 25, 2018 at 11:17 | comment | added | Makyen Mod | @PearlySpencer It's how the system is currently designed, not just policy. Only an SE employee can migrate something > 60 days old (I have no idea if there's limits on which SE employees can do so, so it may be a very small number of people). You appear upset that the other questions have not already been migrated, because, you claim, "that's not fair", when the situation is dramatically different for the other questions, and it's quite possible that no one who could do the migration is aware that some people desire it done (the employee being willing to migrate is a different issue). | |
Nov 25, 2018 at 8:58 | comment | added | user8682794 | @Makyen I am aware of the posts and anyone who reads them carefully will see that this policy was instituted to curb migration of crap posts on other Stack Exchange sites which created conflict. In this case, we are talking about very helpful questions with hundreds and thousands of up-votes. Let's not use a policy created with good intentions as an excuse not to give a fair solution here. | |
Nov 25, 2018 at 7:54 | history | closed | Bhargav RaoMod | Duplicate of Where should "How to create a good reproducible example in ...?" questions reside? | |
Nov 25, 2018 at 5:45 | comment | added | Makyen Mod | @PearlySpencer The Stata question was the only one migrated because it's the only one that could be migrated. Questions that are older than 60 days old can not be migrated, even by moderators. The other two questions are dramatically older than 60 days. Thus, neither can be migrated. If you're interested in the reasoning behind the 60 day limit, you might read: Disable migration for questions older than 60 days. | |
Nov 25, 2018 at 4:58 | comment | added | Alexei Levenkov | Side q: is flagging links to such "questions" in comments encouraged in the same way as very similar links to "I downvoted because" site or requesting MCVE in comments? | |
Nov 25, 2018 at 4:06 | answer | added | user3956566 | timeline score: 6 | |
Nov 25, 2018 at 2:45 | comment | added | duplode | Close reasons are means, and not ends in themselves. If we agree that questions of this sort are useful resources for our task of curating questions, and that they should exist somewhere around here (i.e. either in the main site or in Meta), we should first examine whether the choice of place has any effect over the usefulness of such questions, before entering an abstract discussion about topicality. | |
Nov 24, 2018 at 23:09 | comment | added | Eaten by a Grue | Ok, as someone who knows absolutely nothing about any of those tags I will defer to your first hand experiences. I can only say that I would describe the things I encounter elsewhere precisely the same way so on the surface at least, it sounds very much like a universal problem. | |
Nov 24, 2018 at 23:06 | comment | added | Marius | @billynoah I realise it's hard to get new users to include code examples and the information needed to understand them, but it's even harder to get them to provide a usable example of the data they're working on in an R/pandas/Stata data analysis, that's what is unique to these tags. | |
Nov 24, 2018 at 22:43 | comment | added | user8682794 | @billynoah Yes, you do misunderstand what this is about. This is not about the number of newcomers. This is about providing specific advice to newcomers. Stata, R and Pandas do not have the same commands to generate data, debug etc with Java and C++. | |
Nov 24, 2018 at 22:36 | comment | added | Eaten by a Grue | Unfortunately, I think the "daily battle (of) ... constant pleading to include data in their questions" pretty much applies to all tags on Stackoverflow. While those posts are very useful resources to offer a quick link for new users, I don't really see how those topics can possibly be any more newb ridden than others here. Maybe I'm misunderstanding you guys, but it really sounds like there is a feeling that these tags specifically are some kind of special needs case. | |
Nov 24, 2018 at 22:15 | comment | added | Marius | I guess so. My main concern would be existing links to the questions breaking, and users who know these questions exist trying to link to them but failing to find them if they search "[pandas] reproducible" | |
Nov 24, 2018 at 21:59 | comment | added | user8682794 | @Marius this is also the case for the Stata tag. Yet the Stata question was the only one migrated. We can still link directly on Meta so it is not a total disaster... Can you not do the same in the R and Pandas tags? | |
Nov 24, 2018 at 21:32 | comment | added | Marius | I'm not sure what the final result of this process is going to be, but as the creator of one of the affected questions, I want to point out that if these questions become harder to point new users to, it will seriously impact the experience for regular answerers in [r] and [pandas]. Trying to get new users to include data in their questions is a daily battle in those tags, and data-based questions are extremely hard to answer without examples. I enjoy helping out new users with R, I don't enjoy constantly pleading with them to include their data in the question. | |
Nov 24, 2018 at 21:16 | answer | added | user8682794 | timeline score: -2 | |
Nov 24, 2018 at 19:39 | comment | added | rene | @HansPassant does that excuse for closing them apply to only the example under scrutiny or all provided examples? | |
Nov 24, 2018 at 16:24 | comment | added | user8682794 | @yivi The only difference between the questions is that the others are in more popular tags. I couldn't care less about my question being migrated but IMO this is additional proof of a double standards mentality and bias towards smaller communities. | |
Nov 24, 2018 at 16:22 | comment | added | yivi | @Pearly I haven't voted on any of the linked questions in any way, but I could see how someone could say than the other examples are a tad more focused and practical than this one. Not saying that they shouldn't be migrated as well (or that any one should have been migrated), just saying that the questions are not identical. | |
Nov 24, 2018 at 16:18 | comment | added | yivi | The question was migrated to meta, apparently. | |
Nov 24, 2018 at 15:51 | history | edited | Mureinik | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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Nov 24, 2018 at 15:49 | comment | added | Hans Passant | Sigh. This isn't about helping anybody to ask questions, it is an excuse to close them. | |
Nov 24, 2018 at 15:44 | comment | added | user8682794 | @yivi We need a question / answer like this because the info in the help center is generic and not tailored to Stata. Most new askers have no idea about how to generate data in Stata or how to debug their code using Stata's commands. | |
Nov 24, 2018 at 15:44 | comment | added | Eaten by a Grue | @PearlySpencer - I never said that. If I thought yours or any of them were off topic I would have voted to close/downvoted - which I have not. Instead I have come here asking for guidance and at the moment I remain somewhat neutral. | |
Nov 24, 2018 at 15:43 | comment | added | yivi | @Pearly I only say that because you commented on the existence of similar questions. That's not relevant. Other questions may or may not exist, but that's not a valid defense on the topicality of this particular question. | |
Nov 24, 2018 at 15:42 | comment | added | user8682794 | @yivi I do not think they are off-topic. The OP here thinks they are. | |
Nov 24, 2018 at 15:41 | history | edited | Eaten by a Grue | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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Nov 24, 2018 at 15:41 | comment | added | yivi | @Pearly I'm not saying that the q&a is or isn't on-topic, but that there are other similar questions doesn't mean this question is actually on-topic. If you believe other off-topic questions exist, VtC those. | |
Nov 24, 2018 at 15:36 | answer | added | Mureinik | timeline score: 26 | |
Nov 24, 2018 at 15:23 | comment | added | user8682794 | There are similar questions for the pandas and R tags. Not sure what you are after here. | |
Nov 24, 2018 at 15:23 | comment | added | πάντα ῥεῖ | It's a try for providing a canonical. Not a really great one tho. | |
Nov 24, 2018 at 15:20 | history | asked | Eaten by a Grue | CC BY-SA 4.0 |