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Nov 7, 2018 at 14:30 comment added Braiam @NicolBolas That you aren't familiar with the concepts of another science doesn't mean that such concepts doesn't exist. Look for the definition of work and energy in physics.
Nov 7, 2018 at 14:27 comment added Nicol Bolas @Braiam: I'm sorry, but I cannot have a reasonable discussion with someone who declares two things are the same thing when they're not. It's pretty clear that my point has nothing to do with effort and was all about stopping abuse. That you cannot see that is unfortunate, but that's the end of it.
Nov 7, 2018 at 11:45 comment added Braiam @NicolBolas providing = work. You writing a comment is work. You spending energy trying to convince me that it isn't is wasted work that should be spend on something more productive like the close queue. Time and energy are resources, you are asking the gold badge owner to spend resources by showing proof upfront. I tell you that said resources were spent once and saved the result for the later cases where it likes. Don't you have a list of commonly duplicate targets? Heck, there's even a query that gets that for you. There's no incentive in doing what you say it "happens" on dupe vs typo Q's.
Nov 7, 2018 at 2:10 comment added Nicol Bolas @Braiam: "= "work" = "effort"" No, it's about proof, provided up-front. That has nothing to do with how much effort gets spent to provide it, and everything to do with the ability to quickly determine if the person is abusing the system or not. Stop arguing positions I'm not holding.
Nov 7, 2018 at 1:57 comment added Braiam @NicolBolas "you have to provide some proof up-front that you're closing the question properly" = "work" = "effort". You need to spend more energy, that's your core argument. My core argument is that that effort/work/energy was spend once and reused again and again, thus reducing the amount of energy in average spent by the user. Most people that have close votes are programmers, and programmers tend to not do the same action several times.
Nov 7, 2018 at 1:38 comment added Nicol Bolas @Braiam: "There's no "effort" in that according to your argument." My argument didn't include "effort"; I don't know why you quoted that word, since I didn't use it. My argument is about having to prove "up-front" that you're closing the question on good reasoning. It has nothing to do with how easy it is to do; it's about you having to provide the duplicate. If you just randomly pick a question as a dupe, you're clearly abusing the rules and can be sanctioned, so people don't do it. By contrast, that kind of paper trail doesn't exist for typo questions.
Nov 7, 2018 at 1:03 comment added Braiam @NicolBolas I don't find any problem with that. We, contrary to before, have a humongous amount of people with power. Heck, we have moderators in almost all main languages tags. BTW, who says that gold badge owners find the duplicate but instead they just know the most common one and have it in a bookmark? There's no "effort" in that according to your argument.
Nov 6, 2018 at 23:00 comment added Bhargav Rao Mod Yes, @NicolBolas, that's true. I hadn't thought of that while writing this. I guess perhaps two users with gold badges, would be a better way to reduce the outright abuse. We certainly can't prevent abuse completely, but probably try to reduce the amount of abuse. (I do agree that there are a few gold badge users who are in cahoots with each other). Looking at the data would probably be just one of the things which we need to look at, and a typo hammer would certainly need more thought.
Nov 6, 2018 at 14:40 comment added Nicol Bolas @Bhargav: "This would be a great idea, if we have some data backing up." It should be noted that data is not the only (or even the primary) issue preventing that. The thing about dupe-hammering is that you have to actually find a duplicate before you can do it. Thus, you have to provide some proof up-front that you're closing the question properly. With typo questions, this isn't the case. It therefore becomes way too easy to abuse one's powers. It's too easy for a group of users to decide that "typo" is the new "too localized".
Nov 6, 2018 at 12:04 comment added Ansgar Wiechers Extending Mjölnir powers to typos might help some, but (as a contributor in some niche tags) I feel it might be a lot more useful if we'd correlate the required number of close-votes with the Q/A influx of a tag (maybe the highest-volume tag on the question).
Nov 6, 2018 at 7:15 history answered Bhargav RaoMod CC BY-SA 4.0