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Oct 23, 2018 at 6:54 comment added user4639281 @deceze did you miss the "The comment itself is a trap for all future commenters, because if no one was explaining anything before the comment then surely all comments thereafter must be from downvoters." in my first comment?
Oct 23, 2018 at 5:21 history edited Jean-François FabreMod CC BY-SA 4.0
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Oct 22, 2018 at 22:53 comment added deceze Mod @TinyGiant So, just skip the preamble and start with “I think your post could be improved if you…”? If the OP still feels hostility after such a neutral comment… well, you can’t fix people. 🤷🏻‍♂️
Oct 22, 2018 at 16:31 comment added user4639281 I suppose the same could be achieved with "I refuse to disclose my confidential voting habits and will neither confirm nor deny that I have or have not voted on any specific post. With that said, I think your post could be improved if you..."
Oct 22, 2018 at 16:28 comment added user4639281 This is what I do when I see a post that I think can be improved but it has a "Downvoter: please explain your downvote" comment. The comment itself is a trap for all future commenters, because if no one was explaining anything before the comment then surely all comments thereafter must be from downvoters. Even if I did downvote the post I will prepend "I haven't voted on this yet, but ..." with my suggestion for improvement / or my "guess" as to why the post may have been downvoted by other users.
Oct 22, 2018 at 9:06 comment added Jean-François Fabre Mod @deceze: yeah, it's always nice to explain why the answer is bad. But a lot of users will interpret "downvote+negative feedback comment" as originating from the same user. Personally I usually prefer to warn the user before downvoting. Sometimes it works and they update/delete their answer without getting a sole downvote
Oct 22, 2018 at 8:55 comment added deceze Mod @smci Of course I understand why people do it, I just think it's pretty silly. It shouldn't matter. I always phrase comments in a way that neither suggests nor disallows the possibility that I downvoted. I don't want to talk about that in comments. I want to talk about what can be done to undo the downvotes, period.
Oct 22, 2018 at 8:53 comment added Jean-François Fabre Mod downvoting is nice. At list it is not "not nice". But true: downvotes attract downvotes... until it's too much and people start upvoting to make that up.
Oct 22, 2018 at 8:47 comment added smci ...and c) sometimes the OP's experience is due to being on the wrong end of a downvoting ring through no fault of their own, which you're all aware happens on SO, but I don't see people here acknowledging it.
Oct 22, 2018 at 8:47 comment added D.Schaller Then "depending on your mood, ignore, or make OP feel bad by explaining that they chose the wrong target. " may not be the right move to go, considering someone has to start being nice at some point.
Oct 22, 2018 at 8:44 comment added smci @deceze: it's extremely obvious why we sometimes have to preface constructive criticism with “I didn’t downvote but…”. a) Sometimes the OP is being unfairly downvoted/VtC/harassed with comments/piling-on (this happens quite often; and sometimes it happens for several questions in a row, without a reasonable reason). b) Possibly combined with, or separate to, a) sometimes the OP (especially a new user, but quite often an existing user too) is too defensive about criticism, and not amenable to hearing it, until the commenter establishes both their credibility and their impartiality.
Oct 22, 2018 at 8:38 comment added Jean-François Fabre Mod I find that slightly aggressive. But at least my answer doesn't suggest to brush it off all the time. Someone has to start being nice at some point.
Oct 22, 2018 at 8:27 comment added D.Schaller "I usually reserve that comment to posts that I didn't vote upon and when OP doesn't ping me aggressively like this." I'd like to know if you fell like "Is that you who downvoted the answer?" is aggressive? Because for me it's not aggressive at all. It's just a question (even if its just a noisy one). I wouldn't feel offended or take it as an aggressive question.
Oct 22, 2018 at 6:24 comment added Jean-François Fabre Mod it's awful, but widely used, and ... it works :)
Oct 22, 2018 at 0:47 comment added anatolyg "I didn't downvote" sounds awful. It's both noise (a bit less noise than "did you downvote?", but still noise) and carries the wrong message (that downvoting is a hostile act).
Oct 20, 2018 at 9:44 comment added Jean-François Fabre Mod depending on your mood, ignore, or make OP feel bad by explaining that they chose the wrong target. Never happened to me BTW.
Oct 20, 2018 at 9:43 comment added Fattie @NguyễnThanhTú - correct - everyone has indeed now told you, simply IGNORE such a rude question.
Oct 20, 2018 at 8:24 comment added E_net4 They start a sentence with "not my downvote but" because they feel it protects them from abuse. Whether it does protect them is currently unproven AFAIK, but since we know downvotes are often taken personally, this strategy has some reasoning.
Oct 20, 2018 at 7:07 comment added deceze Mod FWIW, I rather dislike “I didn’t downvote but…” comments. Just leave that aside entirely. I don’t understand why anyone needs to justify themselves regarding their votes.
Oct 20, 2018 at 2:08 comment added Tu Nguyen @Jean-FrançoisFabre "There's a reason why votes are anonymous." absolutely, there must be a reason why votes are anonymous and it makes me believe that I should avoid answering the question.
Oct 19, 2018 at 14:37 comment added Jean-François Fabre Mod not saying otherwise. I mean if you don't know why someone else downvoted, don't pile it on
Oct 19, 2018 at 14:37 history edited Jean-François FabreMod CC BY-SA 4.0
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Oct 19, 2018 at 14:36 comment added Reinstate Monica "Downvoting for that sole purpose isn't very fair" - But if the solution really didn't work then it fully deserves to be downvoted. One might go as far as to say it's your duty to downvote.
Oct 19, 2018 at 14:28 history answered Jean-François FabreMod CC BY-SA 4.0