Timeline for A person asked me "did you downvote my answer?" Should I reply?
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Oct 27, 2018 at 15:53 | comment | added | Martin James | Well, someone commented here, in a productive manner, and got lablelled 'cruel, arrogant, and unempathic' for it. Point proven. Commenting on downvotes is like a request to look over the parapet to see where the enemy sniper is. | |
Oct 22, 2018 at 17:28 | comment | added | user4639281 | @Nils the point being that it is neither required nor encouraged, and an extremely bad idea regardless of how you communicate it. This point was directed at your demonizing of Magisch's suggestion: "i consider a behaviour like that suggested by you in the answer cruel, arrogant, and unempathic." The behaviour suggested by Magisch in this answer is not cruel, arrogant, or unemphatic, it is the behaviour that is encouraged not only by the system itself but by the community managers. Anonymous voting is built in, no one should be made to feel bad for not divulging their voting habits. | |
Oct 22, 2018 at 16:54 | comment | added | user1658543 | @Magisch I see the good points in your reply to my comment. It is a good thing to focus on quality of the questions. Still i feel sorry for such people. For these things private messages would be handy, keeping the questions free from this so called 'noise'. I have read some topics at Meta about this and it seems that others think different. Ok. But when SO really wants people to communicate friendlier they should first give them the (optional) possibility to communicate ;-) | |
Oct 22, 2018 at 16:53 | comment | added | user1658543 | @TinyGiant not owing someone an explanation does not mean that i wont give it. | |
Oct 22, 2018 at 16:33 | comment | added | Kevin B | Basically... Reply at your own risk. I typically don't reply to them directly, but often they'll be posted as I'm typing up a comment so indirectly i do respond to them. Often people disagree with my reasoning, and that's fine. I do routinely get downvoted seemingly randomly, which sucks, but where I am with reputation that doesn't matter to me so I keep doing what I think is best regardless of the downvotes I receive in response. Sometimes though... i will respond if it's a user i've had previous interactions with who routinely leaves snarky why the downvote comments to return the favor. :) | |
Oct 22, 2018 at 16:16 | comment | added | user4639281 | @Nils from Shog9 on Am I still supposed to explain my downvotes or not?: "Explaining votes is almost pure noise, meta-conversation and punditry. Your votes are your own to do with as you please; you owe no one an explanation, nor is a discussion of your voting habits likely to be helpful." ... "indicating that you've downvoted is an extremely bad idea regardless of how you communicate it [...] don't be tricked into thinking it's required or encouraged." | |
Oct 22, 2018 at 14:00 | comment | added | Picachieu | @Magisch they will surely suspect you, which may be enough to make them aggressive. | |
Oct 22, 2018 at 13:58 | comment | added | Magisch | @SirGoPythonJavaCppRubythe3rd How though? It's not visible who flagged, unless that person comes back to notice their comment gone, it's unlikely they'll even know. | |
Oct 22, 2018 at 13:57 | comment | added | Picachieu | @Magisch if the person was already aggressive, flagging their comment would almost definitely make them more aggressive. Either respond honestly to the comment or just ignore it, but flagging it is very likely to cause disputes. | |
Oct 21, 2018 at 5:38 | comment | added | Magisch | @Nils In the context of a question on stack overflow, the thing we're optimising for is quality of questions. It's perfectly possible to leave actionable suggestions for improvement (like I recommend doing in my answer) without disclosing your voting habits. And the "no longer needed" flag is just housekeeping - that comment would be noise for future visitors who come here for a solution, not meta commentary about the voting on a question. | |
Oct 21, 2018 at 1:49 | comment | added | fbueckert | @Nils No. The risk of someone being more aggressive is much higher than someone being reasonable. That comes from pure experience, and isn't theoretical. | |
Oct 21, 2018 at 1:30 | comment | added | user1658543 | @Magisch i consider a behaviour like that suggested by you in the answer cruel, arrogant, and unempathic, especially the "no longer needed" part. We are not machines, but humans with feelings. The person who asks feels bad and you definitely worsen it by refusing to communicate. What is the issue with saying: "No, i didnt, but i feel sorry that your post got downvoted. I will give you an upvote if you improve it like <suggestions>." What does it cost you to do that? Nothing. Plus, you may get an improved question. Plus, you may get a friend for life. | |
Oct 20, 2018 at 22:40 | comment | added | E_net4 | @DonHatch Comments are already ephemeral by nature, so no one should feel them being removed as an act of hostility. Plus, if someone wanted to provide feedback along with the downvote, very likely would they have had before that comment. Future visitors of the site are not interested in these requests either. | |
Oct 20, 2018 at 16:34 | comment | added | Don Hatch | Not sure about the 'Additionally, flag the comment as "no longer needed", since it is pure noise.' part. Think about how it will land to the answerer when their comment disappears-- I imagine, in good faith, that they are asking out of a desire for clarity/transparency, and having such a request simply disappear would feel pretty hostile. | |
Oct 20, 2018 at 10:50 | comment | added | forest | @Magisch I've never seen anyone react poorly when I've said that I was not the downvoter. | |
Oct 19, 2018 at 21:31 | comment | added | Kevin B | @TheWanderer see the voting history on my questions for evidence of what happens when you routinely leave comments on posts you've downvoted. They don't even have to be in response to a "why the downvote" comment. | |
Oct 19, 2018 at 15:43 | comment | added | user310988 | @MrLister Something along those lines, yeah. (I don't really want to explicitly discuss ways to bypass automated checks!) If you get down votes on multiple questions which have had no activity in a long time (negative or positive) then it's pretty obvious something is going on. Someone is going through your history. I flagged a mod and they fixed it, so they seemingly agreed too. | |
Oct 19, 2018 at 15:39 | comment | added | Mr Lister | @AndyJ You mean, a very very slow downvote spree? But how did you know it was the same person each time? | |
Oct 19, 2018 at 15:37 | comment | added | user310988 | @MrLister I've had OPs that revenge down voted in a way that bypassed the automated systems, so I had to get a mod involved. :/ | |
Oct 19, 2018 at 15:29 | comment | added | user310988 | @TheWanderer These days I try to first leave a friendly message explaining what's wrong and pointing to How to Ask, or whatever. Then I come back a bit later and if the OP has been active but not addressed the issue(s) then I leave the down vote. That way I've already explained why they got the down vote, and if they ask I know there's nothing to be gained by replying. | |
Oct 19, 2018 at 15:04 | comment | added | hat | @TheWanderer: The very fact that they are asking the question probably means they are already upset about the downvote. In such cases, I don't really see that entering into a discussion helps. | |
Oct 19, 2018 at 13:32 | comment | added | Tu Nguyen | @Patrice Honestly, I did worry about the worst scenario and I really don't know what's right thing to do. | |
Oct 19, 2018 at 13:30 | comment | added | Mr Lister | Oh, don't worry about downvote revenge sprees, those usually have no net effect eventually! | |
Oct 19, 2018 at 13:21 | comment | added | Patrice | @TheWandered With honesty, best scenario; Nothing changes, Worst scenario: Your get a downvote revenge spree, or an harasser, or whatnot. I don't see a place where it helps you to do it. | |
Oct 19, 2018 at 13:11 | vote | accept | Tu Nguyen | ||
Oct 19, 2018 at 12:54 | comment | added | George | @TheWanderer The problem here isn't that they're asking why, they're asking if. Asking why someone downvoted could be so they could give a better answer/question, but what purpose would finding out if someone downvoted give? | |
Oct 19, 2018 at 12:45 | comment | added | TheWanderer | I haven't ever had an issue with it. If I see a downvoted question and the OP asking why it was downvoted, I'll say something like "I didn't downvote, but people might've downvoted because..." If I was one of them, then I would just change the beginning to say why. | |
Oct 19, 2018 at 12:43 | comment | added | Magisch | @TheWanderer you can do that, of course, but it's not advised. People rarely react well to these things. | |
Oct 19, 2018 at 12:42 | comment | added | TheWanderer | Why not tell them? I would. If they start to get angry about it, then you can disengage, but you might as well tell them, unless they're already being hostile. | |
Oct 19, 2018 at 12:41 | history | answered | Magisch | CC BY-SA 4.0 |