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Sep 21, 2018 at 16:46 comment added peterh Your citate can't be found in the current version of that meta post.
Sep 21, 2018 at 12:49 comment added Nicol Bolas @kriss: You seem to have changed your focus. Your post was about whether closing question is "unwelcoming". You've now ditched that notion entirely, and you're focusing instead on the extreme minority of questions whose closure is debatable. That has nothing to do with being "welcoming" or not.
Sep 21, 2018 at 10:33 comment added deceze Mod @kriss Well, to that end: meta.stackoverflow.com/q/298705/476, meta.stackoverflow.com/q/252010/476
Sep 21, 2018 at 10:32 comment added kriss @deceze: notice that it only applies on questions where quality control disagree, which are indeed exception. Most closed questions are really bad.
Sep 21, 2018 at 10:31 comment added kriss @deceze: that's not the point, if we disagree on the subject if a question should be closed or not, say I believe it should be close because it's stupid, and you believe otherwise, the current mechanism is that I will be able to start the close process voting to close and you will just have to shut up (no way to say you believe the content is ok). Of course later, there is the reopening mechanism, but given the amount of material it's very unlikely you'll still be interrested enough to come back and vote to salvage it. I certainly wouldn't.
Sep 21, 2018 at 10:26 comment added deceze Mod @kriss I understand where you're coming from, and certainly, one needs to learn the ropes of SO at first. But not closing is not helping. That's sacrificing the entire system for the sake of not hurting a few feelings. Arguably SO's quality control mechanisms are exactly why everyone is using SO, because it's not Reddit or Yahoo Answers. And if you allow sub-par questions to newbies, they won't learn the ropes and continue posting sub-par questions (they will probably improve over time, but probably less so than if they're forced to).
Sep 21, 2018 at 10:21 comment added Clive Again, voting is not, and cannot be, “unwelcoming”. Your premise is fundamentally flawed I’m afraid.
Sep 21, 2018 at 10:19 comment added kriss @Clive: simple enough, newbies trying hard enough should be helped and welcomed not rejected. Because they are asking the real questions. Do you believe people don't improve over time and that content should have the same quality on a first post than after a few years of practise ? That implies for "quality controllers" to take it into account and be more patient or tolerant with beginners.
Sep 21, 2018 at 10:10 comment added Clive it's structurally easier answering than asking. Why is that relevant, though? Even if true, why should that have an effect on the speed or nature of our quality control? Surely that just means we need to keep questions under closer scrutiny, because they have greater potential to fall foul of the quality standards
Sep 21, 2018 at 10:06 comment added Cerbrus @kriss: I'm not saying "Don't ask a Question". I'm saying a user that wants to ask a question should do research first, and make sure their question is properly written. How on earth is it a bad thing that I've answered a lot of questions?
Sep 21, 2018 at 10:06 comment added deceze Mod @kriss Not sure what you're getting at. If I have nothing I want/need to ask, because I can figure out all my problems by myself, and I have the capacity to help others sort out their issues too by answering, then I shouldn't participate…?! 🤷‍♂️
Sep 21, 2018 at 10:05 comment added kriss @Cerbrus: Yes "Don't ask a Question" That leads to a profile with more than 1300 answers and 7 questions. And mine of not much better. I don't believe that is a good balance. That is because it's structurally easier answering than asking.
Sep 21, 2018 at 9:59 comment added Clive You just need to get better at identifying what questions are high quality and on topic, and thus which ones are worth spending the time on. It doesn’t mean the current process isn’t working just fine
Sep 21, 2018 at 9:58 comment added kriss I already had a discussion on meta about "preventing others from answering". I feel it as someone trying to decide for me what I should do. It is clear enough it's in no way an incentive to answer to another question on Stack Overflow. It's more like "hey: I typed hald of and answer" and some people decided to throw away the time I just spent because he doesn't see the question in the same perspective as me.
Sep 21, 2018 at 9:56 comment added Cerbrus @kriss: No. He means "don't ask a question if it's poorly researched or poorly written."
Sep 21, 2018 at 9:55 comment added kriss Do you mean don't ask a question if you don't already have the answer ? Because for me it has been a long time since I couldn't find an already existing answer using google or digging around source code. Actually, the remaining unsolved questions are very likely to be too localised
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