Timeline for Why does the banner include the word "learning" if the actual Code of Conduct makes no mention of it whatsoever?
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Aug 8, 2018 at 12:26 | comment | added | Michael | @Makoto: do you think SO is a "learning community"? The word "learning" is as innocent as the word "restaurant" when trying to describe my local italian pizza seller that I visited last week for eating purposes. Calling SO a "learning community" is not only correct, it also gives some context to the whole statement, which is a good thing IMHO. You could argue that "restaurant" doesn't define the scope of the place that I met. Would you? I understand that the word "learning" triggers you, but someone else may be triggered by the word "restaurant".. | |
Aug 7, 2018 at 23:18 | comment | added | TylerH | @Makoto First, I don't think it's appropriate for you to refer to your feelings about Stack Overflow being a learning community as PTSD--that cheapens it for people who've lived through trauma and developed a serious mental disorder from it. Second, saying Stack Overflow is a learning community is not defining the scope of the site; it's defining the point of the site. What's the point of collecting answers to questions if not to learn from them? | |
Aug 7, 2018 at 22:54 | comment | added | Makoto | @TylerH: Yep, there goes that PTSD again. You've evoked unpleasant memories about trying to define the scope of the site. If you want context look at a few of my recent questions. Yeah, I think I'm gonna just take a chill pill for this one. | |
Aug 7, 2018 at 22:52 | comment | added | TylerH | I have never understood your concern about this, because Stack Overflow has been a learning community since day one. | |
Aug 7, 2018 at 22:35 | comment | added | Makoto | @Michael: You've made my point. Just removing the word "learning" would be enough to pacify me. You're welcome to make an argument on whatever part otherwise you feel is emphasized, but as long as I see "learning", I genuinely can't hear it - "learning" has arrested my attention. | |
Aug 7, 2018 at 22:27 | comment | added | Michael | I could argue that the emphasis is on "kind" and "collaborative", while the site already is a "learning community". The CoC does not try to change some random community into a "learning community", it tries to turn a "unwelcoming" "learning community" into a "kind, collaborative" "learning community". They could remove the word "learning" from the banner text and the text would convey the same meaning to me. | |
Aug 7, 2018 at 22:24 | comment | added | Makoto | @Michael: first draft of the CoC and second draft of the CoC for context. Gearing the community towards learning smells like a scope change, one that the CoC isn't intended to convey. | |
Aug 7, 2018 at 22:20 | comment | added | Michael | So the banner includes the word "learning" while the CoC does not. Why could this be a problem? This is not a rhetorical question: I have no idea why someone could possibly have a problem with that. And it's not misleading either. | |
Aug 7, 2018 at 20:35 | answer | added | Shog9Mod | timeline score: 14 | |
Aug 7, 2018 at 20:06 | comment | added | Erik A | For the ones that have already hidden the banner, the banner text is: Join us in building a kind, collaborative learning community via our updated Code of Conduct » | |
Aug 7, 2018 at 19:26 | history | asked | Makoto | CC BY-SA 4.0 |