Timeline for Should we stop commenting altogether?
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Sep 10, 2018 at 11:28 | comment | added | Lightness Races in Orbit | I will say, again, that just because we are supposed to expect that comments can be deleted, doesn't automatically mean that every comment should be deleted, and as soon as possible at that. There's really no point in having them otherwise. | |
Sep 10, 2018 at 11:27 | comment | added | Lightness Races in Orbit | Other than that you actually do have an interesting point here. | |
Sep 10, 2018 at 11:26 | comment | added | Lightness Races in Orbit | "I think you're blowing this out of proportion. You're treating comment deletion (appropriate or not) as though you're being sanctioned in some way. You're not." You're right: the whole community is being sanctioned. Every comment of this form, when deleted, is a drop in the ocean of loss. We all lose. | |
Aug 2, 2018 at 14:31 | comment | added | Servy | @NathanTuggy The idea that comments are designed to be ephemeral really is inherently true. But, as described in detail here the problem is that it's not a valid justification for deleting any comment without any other reason. The fact that the comment will ideally, eventually become obsolete, doesn't mean that you can delete any comment, because that comment might not be obsolete yet. | |
Aug 2, 2018 at 13:16 | comment | added | Nicol Bolas | @NathanTuggy: "In other words, the ephemerality of comments is largely a legal fiction." Except that it isn't because they frequently do get deleted. Whatever expectations you have in you head are not borne out in how SO works. | |
Aug 2, 2018 at 8:43 | comment | added | Nathan Tuggy | @Gimby: So, if Twitter randomly removed 15% of your tweets, how would that come across? Sure, the degree of outrage depends on the overall importance of what was deleted. But the existence of expectation doesn't. | |
Aug 2, 2018 at 8:30 | comment | added | Doctor Jones | Comments are very useful to future visitors. Deleting them means that the same discussion will happen again and again, which just wastes everyone's time. Comments that suggest improvements are vital, especially when they haven't been incorporated in the answer. I cannot count the amount of times that a comment has held some crucial information. I don't understand why deleting comments is seen as so important, when the site already has great ways of handling long comment chains (i.e. only showing the most upvoted comments). | |
Aug 2, 2018 at 8:27 | comment | added | Gimby | @NathanTuggy that is comparing apples and oranges, it'd be more to the point if you take the example of removing a tweet. Then all of a sudden the impact is a lot lower. | |
Aug 2, 2018 at 8:08 | comment | added | Nathan Tuggy | @Gimby: If Twitter deleted your account because somebody got in a snit with you (and the Twitter ToS make it abundantly clear that they absolutely have that legal right), you might well be upset with them and complain. Saying "well they told you ahead of time they might do that" is technically, legally true, but unhelpful, and suggesting there was a real expectation of that is dubious in the extreme. In other words, the ephemerality of comments is largely a legal fiction. | |
Aug 2, 2018 at 7:27 | comment | added | Gimby | The information that a particular comment is actively not complied with seems like wickedly valuable input for future commenters who can then choose to not make the same suggestions; comments become obsolete when they have been complied with. But it cannot be ignored that it indeed has always been communicated that comments can be deleted at any time (which does not say anything about how frequently it will happen, @NathanTuggy) so it cannot be berated that this documented freedom is exercised. I dislike it and will upvote any suggestion favouring change, but it's just the way it is. | |
Aug 2, 2018 at 5:58 | comment | added | Nathan Tuggy | @NicolBolas: Everyone mouths the mantra of "comments can be deleted at any time for any reason", but in practice that expectation is not there. Compare with the very similar wording found in a great many website agreements that say "we can delete your account/remove your game achievements/terminate your license to use our software/whatever for any reason, or no reason." In other words, it reads like standard slightly-slimy exception-handling legalese that no one really expects to be routinely triggered. And indeed most comments aren't deleted. | |
Aug 1, 2018 at 19:27 | comment | added | Nicol Bolas | @Pekka웃: By that reasoning, we shouldn't delete comments that requested information that was provided. After all, they still communicate that a user requested certain information, which was later provided. That's part of "spreading culture". | |
Aug 1, 2018 at 19:10 | comment | added | Pekka | Comments are the most important means of spreading culture on the site. (It's why everyone is so keen on getting rid of totally negative/unproductive ones.) That's why they have relevance beyond the interaction with the OP, just like the question and its answers do. It's all for future readers as much as for the present ones. | |
Aug 1, 2018 at 18:46 | comment | added | Programmer | I disagree. If the comment is left undeleted, it will prevent others from having to make the-same or similar comment if the questions needs code to show some work or show which part of the code is causing the issue. It will also get up-votes therefore making the OP rethink about his/her reply and add code to the question. Once the code is added the comment can now be deleted. | |
Aug 1, 2018 at 18:03 | comment | added | Nicol Bolas | @MarkRansom: Comments have never worked that way. Just look around MSO: the expectation of comments is that they're supposed to be subject to deletion. And it has been that way since the beginning. | |
Aug 1, 2018 at 18:02 | comment | added | Mark Ransom | Comments shouldn't just be directed at the OP, you should always consider how the wider audience will read them. I expect my comments to stick around forever, and if they're no longer relevant then I'll delete them. | |
Aug 1, 2018 at 18:01 | comment | added | 41686d6564 |
I strongly disagree. The OP has decided not to comply != the comment serves no further use . I think that one of the ways new users learn how the system works and get used to it is by reading this kind of comments. On the other hand, when the comment gets removed, we can't blame them for thinking that the question has nothing wrong as the OP said.
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Aug 1, 2018 at 15:14 | history | answered | Nicol Bolas | CC BY-SA 4.0 |