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Aug 2, 2018 at 14:56 comment added Andy Mod @LordFarquaad meta.stackoverflow.com/a/356509/189134 I have not updated the model to support the new "Relevant" flag yet. I also haven't been running it as consistently as I did previously. This is due to several factors but mostly because until recently we couldn't see who flagged a comment and it felt like a conflict of interest if I went in an validated a flag, even though I didn't know if my system had cast it.
Aug 2, 2018 at 14:42 comment added Lord Farquaad @Andy Since we're talking about comments, how did the discussion regarding your bot resolve? Were you allowed to run it from your account, a sock puppet, or is it dead for now?
Aug 1, 2018 at 17:17 comment added Servy @NicolBolas Because the alternative is allowing people to post misinformation in answers and delete all feedback indicating how it's problematic. If it were actually possible to determine if the comment were correct or not, then sure, we could just delete all misinformation and leave up all useful information. That can't be done.
Aug 1, 2018 at 17:14 comment added Nicol Bolas @Servy: "If you feel that the answer stands on its own merits, and already adequately covers the issues raised in the comments, then you do nothing." And thus leave misinformation forever attached to my answer. Why is this a good thing?
Aug 1, 2018 at 17:12 comment added Servy @NicolBolas If you feel that the answer stands on its own merits, and already adequately covers the issues raised in the comments, then you do nothing. If not, then it's a sign that your answer doesn't adequately cover a relevant issue (even if the correct explanation of that issue isn't what the commentor thinks it is) and you should edit your answer, just not in the way the commentor expected.
Aug 1, 2018 at 17:08 comment added Nicol Bolas @Servy: If I ask a question and someone posts a bad answer to it, I can just downvote and move on. I don't have to explain why or justify it. If I post an answer and someone makes a stupid comment, how do I do the equivalent? Also, let's not forget the old saying about arguing with fools; even if you're right, it's hard for people to tell which is the fool.
Aug 1, 2018 at 17:07 comment added Servy @NicolBolas You don't. If you feel that your answer stands on its own merits, you don't need to respond at all. You just don't have the ability to unilaterally silence every one else on the topic. Whether you think it's worth either editing your answer or responding to the comment is worthwhile, to further explain why your answer is right, is up to you. And keep in mind that moderators simply can't (not won't, or shouldn't, but can't) be the judge of who's technically correct in every single disagreement on the site. They have neither the manpower nor the expertise to do so.
Aug 1, 2018 at 17:04 comment added Nicol Bolas @Servy: Why should someone who posts a non-problematic answer have to defend it constantly?
Aug 1, 2018 at 16:58 comment added Servy @NicolBolas Why should someone who posts a problematic answer have the right to have every comment pointing out those problems removed? Just as you're allowed to post your own answer explaining what you think the solution is, and it won't be deleted just because others think it's wrong or bad, others are allowed to provide feedback on it and indicate ways in which they think it's problematic. You're each allowed to state your case, and readers are then able to decide what to do given each sides' information.
Aug 1, 2018 at 16:56 comment added Erik A @Nicol that last one. You can't expect mods to know if a problem is real, and if it would be a real problem, it shouldn't be removed
Aug 1, 2018 at 16:48 comment added Nicol Bolas @Erik: "This is NOT a reason to remove comments in my opinion: if they have been read, but not acted upon, requests for clarification/improvement still have a clear purpose: they note deficiencies." So what you're saying is that, if someone comments on my answer, notes a "deficiency" that isn't actually a problem, and I choose to ignore it, I have to live with this tumor stuck to my answer in perpetuity? Or do I have to take time out to explain to someone why the "deficiency" isn't a deficiency before their comment can be removed?
Aug 1, 2018 at 15:21 comment added rene I've upvoted this (or whatever that's called nowadays)
Aug 1, 2018 at 14:35 comment added Servy The fact that comments are designed to be deleted once they have served their purpose, isn't a justification for deleting comments that have not yet served their purpose, as Erik has brought up rather well.
Aug 1, 2018 at 14:35 comment added Servy One of the bit points in this regard is that mods are constantly saying, "comments are ephemeral" as a justification for deleting comments. And while true, that doesn't make it a justification for deleting any comment without any other reason. Yes, comments are designed to be temporary in the sense that the reason you post a comment is to get the author of the post to improve said post, and that the comment should be deleted as soon as said improvement happens. When everything is working right, they should be deleted. But they shouldn't be deleted before said improvement has been made.
Aug 1, 2018 at 14:27 comment added Andy Mod Regarding that last bullet: Better mod tooling (specifically suggestion #2) would be incredibly helpful. The lack of context in the flag queue is a huge problem.
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