Timeline for What if they COULD google their question in 5 seconds?
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Apr 5 at 13:53 | comment | added | Gimby | @CortAmmon do make sure to do the search in an anonymous browser window though, otherwise you see personalized search results which may vary greatly from what someone else sees :) | |
Apr 5 at 3:36 | comment | added | Cort Ammon | My personal rule: If I can cut/paste their title into google, unmodified, and find the answer in the first 2-3 links, I do take offense at their failure to do research. They clearly knew what to look for and how to phrase it. If I have to modify the title, such as removing words that got in the way, then I'll chalk it up to a learning experience. | |
Apr 4 at 18:35 | comment | added | Largato | That said, I think that the comment itself usually is not useful, so we should refrain to comment by this alone. Or, if we 'googled' (or ddg.gg ed) by ourselves, just post the search link with results instead. Again, to maximize usefullness of time spent commenting. | |
Apr 4 at 18:28 | comment | added | Largato | All in all, the problem is seeming to me more and more that the "rudeness bar" is wrong, not the comment itself. Programming will be very hard if a simple direction is offensive - following cold and hard documentation probably would be unbearable then. | |
Feb 21, 2023 at 17:37 | comment | added | TylerH | It should probably be pointed out that in polite company the phrasing of a comment like "you could google this in 5 seconds" has always been considered varying levels of rude. To suggest it was only now being considered as such is a bit misleading. | |
Dec 3, 2021 at 19:28 | comment | added | Kevin B | Yes, that's fact. When you want someone to do the bare minimum research, google is typically the place you send people to. That's not new. | |
Dec 3, 2021 at 19:25 | comment | added | Kevin B | @user16320675 not quite sure what you're getting at here. It's most certainly not the opposite, most traffic comes from external search, and external search is better than site search even when looking for something you know is on site. | |
Aug 28, 2018 at 12:18 | comment | added | jrh | Also another somewhat related topic on the accuracy of SO's crystal ball, I see a good bit of "what are you trying to accomplish" comments on the more nerdy conceptual questions. When I see this stuff I will reply to you, but let me ask these commenters the same question: "What are you (as a commenter) trying to accomplish?" Are you taking a survey? I mean okay sure... I'll provide you a data point if you want... sometimes it really isn't an XY problem, also sometimes the answer is just "people expect the code to be like this because the API we're using is like that". | |
Jul 30, 2018 at 9:11 | comment | added | Gimby | "Put differently: couldn't you argue that implying that someone is being lazy isn't as bad as actually being lazy?" - yeah but its the difference between dropping a live landmine and a training one filled with paint. The training one won't kill you when you make a misstep, but your face will still be covered in paint and you look like a clown. | |
Jul 28, 2018 at 4:20 | vote | accept | EJoshuaS - Stand with Ukraine | ||
Jul 25, 2018 at 17:37 | answer | added | Shelby Moore III | timeline score: -24 | |
Jul 24, 2018 at 13:40 | comment | added | EJoshuaS - Stand with Ukraine | @khaverim No one is suggesting mocking anyone. With that said, don't feed help vampires - it's not helpful to the site in the long run to even share links for questions where the OP could've found the information on their own easily. We're not here to spoon-feed people information that they could've easily found on their own. | |
Jul 24, 2018 at 13:25 | comment | added | khaverim | It takes more than 5 seconds to post a Q on SO. People come looking for help. Tell them it's easy, share the link, don't mock, move on | |
Jul 23, 2018 at 20:46 | comment | added | Mia | There may be some people who don't have access to Google, but do have access to SO. Specifically, people who are physically in China. | |
Jul 23, 2018 at 19:35 | comment | added | jrh | @ChrisD I usually flag the "did you google this" comments, they're almost completely useless if the question has been on there for years, especially if the question has high views, a good score, and is the top result on Google. IMO comments like that are not super rude, if anything they're kind of comic relief as I chuckle a bit at how bad people can be at predicting SO's future search rankings. I would probably recommend against leaving those kind of comments, to me it seems like SO's crystal ball isn't working all that well. | |
Jul 23, 2018 at 18:57 | answer | added | aw04 | timeline score: -10 | |
Jul 23, 2018 at 17:40 | comment | added | jrh | @TinyGiant I agree, another example is forum posts that say "Did you google this? Here's the first result to googling it (dead link) and it solves your problem." | |
Jul 23, 2018 at 14:48 | comment | added | cxw | Not everyone gets the same results from a Google search due to bubbling (discussion). I suspect (without having done the experiment, admittedly) that long-time SO users with lots of coding questions in their search histories are likely to get more productive results from a Google search than new programmers without that history. Even if there's not a bubble, my personal experience is that I can tell from the Google-result snippets whether a result is likely to be helpful, and I doubt newbies can do so as quickly. | |
Jul 23, 2018 at 13:07 | answer | added | Patrick Parker | timeline score: 7 | |
Jul 23, 2018 at 10:00 | history | edited | gnat |
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Jul 23, 2018 at 9:04 | comment | added | allo | Often they have, sometimes not. My question was "What if they could not?". There are several scenarios where good research seems easy for you, but not to everybody. | |
Jul 23, 2018 at 9:03 | comment | added | Martin James | @allo the OP's often do have the search terms - copypasta of their exact title into Google pops up 'About 5,000,000 results', with several SO Q&A on the first page that explain the OP's problem/s and how to fix them:( | |
Jul 23, 2018 at 3:26 | answer | added | Steve Summit | timeline score: 2 | |
Jul 22, 2018 at 20:06 | comment | added | Mark Amery | @TylerH I only see one ("This is called Invariance and Covariance. If you Google it, you’ll find tutorials that can explain it much better than we can in a comment here.") which doesn't strike me as being equivalent in meaning, since it's actually providing useful extra information about terminology that perhaps the asker otherwise couldn't've trivially Googled - not just rebuking them for posting. Indeed, I wouldn't necessarily read the latter as being critical of the asker at all. | |
Jul 22, 2018 at 18:21 | answer | added | HostileFork says dont trust SE | timeline score: 1 | |
Jul 22, 2018 at 16:45 | comment | added | ChrisD | It's funny how many times I google a problem and the first result is a stackoverflow question where the first comment is something like "google it". | |
Jul 22, 2018 at 12:33 | answer | added | Tasos Papastylianou | timeline score: 6 | |
Jul 22, 2018 at 12:27 | answer | added | Braiam | timeline score: 28 | |
Jul 22, 2018 at 11:04 | comment | added | Mark Amery | @TylerH Well, would you like to propose such a way? Nobody has done so here so far, and - as you note yourself in your comment that I first replied to - the entire premise of the question, unchallenged by anyone other than you, is that it is the message and not the tone of the comment that could lead to it being seen as objectionable. If you think it's in fact the tone that the staff are objecting to, then what's wrong with the tone and how would you fix it? | |
Jul 21, 2018 at 23:54 | answer | added | IRTFM | timeline score: 5 | |
Jul 21, 2018 at 23:39 | comment | added | Alex R | Why should any user ever need to go to ANY third-party site outside of SO? Should we start flagging "this question already has an answer at quora.com"? If not, why is a random set of google results any different. | |
Jul 21, 2018 at 21:48 | comment | added | TylerH | @MarkAmery Yes, there are. There are lots of ways to say most things without being rude, believe it or not. | |
Jul 21, 2018 at 18:52 | comment | added | Dan Beaulieu | Yup, that’s true. But again, tutorials don’t cover even a fraction of the problems a new programmer can run into. Having said that, I’m 100% tapping out of this conversation. I can’t believe how much flack I’m receiving for just stating that we shouldn’t label people as lazy so easily. | |
Jul 21, 2018 at 18:48 | comment | added | Ben Voigt | @DanBeaulieu: If you have internet access (which we assume is true for people getting questions onto SO), then you have access to a wide variety of free tutorials, which are the electronic equivalent of books. | |
Jul 21, 2018 at 18:11 | answer | added | GiantCowFilms | timeline score: 24 | |
Jul 21, 2018 at 17:10 | comment | added | Dan Beaulieu | Also ridiculous not every country has libraries and many libraries don’t have programming books. Look Andy, My only statement was that not everyone new here who crafts a bad question is lazy. You can feel free to argue it all you want. Let’s not waste any more of your utterly valuable time by continuing this discussion Andy. | |
Jul 21, 2018 at 17:03 | comment | added | Andy | @DanBeaulieu Libraries. And yes, pestering me is in fact a privilege; its not like annoying me is going to make me help someone. "Books don’t cover anything" I started by reading programming books, but you're right, it wasn't until SO appeared that I learned anything at all about programming (even though I was years into my career at that point). | |
Jul 21, 2018 at 17:00 | comment | added | Dan Beaulieu | @Andy thats ridiculous. What about folks in counties where programming books are forbiddingly expensive? They shouldn’t have the “privilege” of pestering you because they couldn’t afford a book? Also, I had many books and no peers to ask. Books don’t cover everything. | |
Jul 21, 2018 at 16:56 | comment | added | Andy | @DanBeaulieu Then you should buy a beginners programming book (or several) before coming here to wastes people's time. | |
Jul 21, 2018 at 15:47 | answer | added | Mark Amery | timeline score: 13 | |
Jul 21, 2018 at 15:04 | answer | added | Michael | timeline score: 94 | |
Jul 21, 2018 at 15:02 | answer | added | Bob Jarvis - Слава Україні | timeline score: 14 | |
Jul 21, 2018 at 9:08 | comment | added | QHarr | Maybe has been mentioned but many questions where "google in 5 secs" would have sorted for many SO users, in fact hasn't worked for the OP as they simply lack the required knowledge to implement the solution (however basic it may seem to others). They come to SO looking for someone to write the solution for them and then there is a long draw out set of "explain this" to me questions. P.s. I am feeling moany today. | |
Jul 21, 2018 at 7:55 | comment | added | Mark Amery | @TylerH "There are ways to indicate that you can search for and find the answer to a simple question on Google without being unfriendly or rude." - but are there? (Without actually providing an answer, at least, which people who post these comments seem to want to avoid doing.) I don't see what those ways would look like. | |
Jul 21, 2018 at 7:05 | answer | added | Ben | timeline score: 13 | |
Jul 21, 2018 at 6:40 | comment | added | Paul Samsotha | "What if they COULD google their question in 5 seconds?" - Then google it yourself, and if there is a Stack Overflow answer, close it as a duplicate. Personally, I get more satisfaction from dupe hammering than I do from trying to teach people (to google) who don't want to be taught. | |
Jul 21, 2018 at 6:21 | answer | added | krayyem | timeline score: -43 | |
Jul 21, 2018 at 2:49 | comment | added | Dan Beaulieu | @EJoshuaS I’m 100% not talking about that one single post. Rather, I’m speaking in regards to the broad generalization that folks who come here with seemingly trivial questions are lazy. I certainly wasn’t, I just didn’t know what I was after. I’m not trying to be difficult, it just resonates with me. Made me want to quit trying to be a part StackOverflow, when I started. | |
Jul 21, 2018 at 2:44 | comment | added | EJoshuaS - Stand with Ukraine | @DanBeaulieu I saw a question today asking what .net reflection is. If they knew the term, why couldn't they look it up themself? Honestly, I suspect that they usually just want someone to spoon feed them the information. | |
Jul 21, 2018 at 2:08 | comment | added | Dan Beaulieu | One nit-picky comment regarding “laziness”. When I was new to programming I didn’t know HOW to communicate about programming and I often barely knew WHY my code wasn’t working. It wasn’t laziness, it was ignorance. | |
Jul 21, 2018 at 1:47 | answer | added | ashleedawg | timeline score: 78 | |
Jul 21, 2018 at 0:54 | answer | added | Stephen C | timeline score: 25 | |
Jul 21, 2018 at 0:50 | answer | added | Ian Boyd | timeline score: 0 | |
Jul 21, 2018 at 0:50 | comment | added | Lightness Races in Orbit | That comment is now "rude"? Jesus. | |
Jul 21, 2018 at 0:36 | history | edited | Peter Mortensen | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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Jul 20, 2018 at 23:57 | comment | added | TylerH | This question seems to miss the point of what the CoC says by virtue of not seeing the forest for the trees. The important thing is not what you are saying but how you say it. There are ways to indicate that you can search for and find the answer to a simple question on Google without being unfriendly or rude. | |
Jul 20, 2018 at 22:05 | comment | added | ryanyuyu | Related: LMGTFY link can't be added | |
Jul 20, 2018 at 21:37 | answer | added | Makoto | timeline score: 152 | |
Jul 20, 2018 at 21:32 | comment | added | Servy | @MartinJames That's true in some number of cases, but when typing your question into google and looking at the first result gives you a great answer, typing up your question on SO, posting it, and then waiting just 3 minutes for someone to answer is still way more work and takes much longer. Those are even more infuriating then when someone is posting their homework question that would take them 15 minutes and that someone answers in 5, in which it's at least in their own best interest, even if it's bad for the site. | |
Jul 20, 2018 at 21:17 | comment | added | Martin James | It's not laziness, just time management. If there is an army of naive drones who can be conned into doing your searching/collating for you, why do it yourself? There is plenty of other stuff, real stuff that nobody else can be persuaded to do for free, that beeds to be done instead, (and, if not, the bars are open). | |
Jul 20, 2018 at 21:05 | comment | added | Servy | But if you imply that they're being lazy, they might be upset that you pointed it out and stop asking lazy questions that could have been easily googled in 5 seconds. | |
Jul 20, 2018 at 21:01 | history | asked | EJoshuaS - Stand with Ukraine | CC BY-SA 4.0 |